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Basstian · 03-12-2005, 07:26 PM

http://www.comparative-religion.com/...splay.php?f=18
Here is the link for the mythology forum.

There is no plural form in these verses neither is there female.

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Ro 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Ro 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Ro 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Ro 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Ro 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Sacredstar · 03-12-2005, 08:19 PM

Dear Basstian

Yes this confirms what I have received; men changed the truth and told many lies and this can be found in some of the scripture. Jesus was betrayed by Jews and Christians alike hence why it is so important we continue to question and follow our own hearts and the insights we receive directly in communion with GOD.

Here is the NIV version of this passage from Romans.

20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

I understand this to mean that GOD is to be seen in everything and everywhere.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, Godhaters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

The GOD I know would not say these things above, GOD most merciful, compassionate, forgiving and loving, IME it is only man that judges and it is man that wrote the words above for they are not inspired with love and GOD's grace.

Being Love Kim xx

Bandit · 03-12-2005, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by didymus

Bandit, i am not saying that there is more than one or that there ever was more than one god. i'm reading what is in the bible. my point is that they who wrote the book may have believed in more than one god.
i got news for you, the garden of eden is not exclusive to the jewish religion. read up on the sumerians, legends of gilgamesh and you'll see. remember abraham came out of ur, which was in ancient sumer. at that time there wasn't a jewish religion. they got their creation and garden story from other sources, or are you gonna tell me that satan did that too?

and to comment on the use of us in genesis. us means us. god wasn't making soup in the kitchen talking to himself. man wrote this and that is how man saw God at that time. man seemed to view god in the plural or so it would seem from what it says in genesis.

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my point is that they who wrote the book may have believed in more than one god

this is your assumption. I dont care who believes, some mystic wrote the bible who believed in more than ONE God. That is not what I believe.

No, you have failed to answer my questions.
1)In the beginning...If you believe God was literally speaking to other gods, then why dont these other gods ever speak back to God?
2)Why is there no record of conversation between God and gods?.?.?
3)Why does not God refer to these other gods that you suppose, and call them YOU and THEY and distinguish them?
4)Why cannot US WE OUR, OURSELF refer to the attributes and personality(s) of one being and one mind?

Here is one for extra measure...
5) Why dont these other gods speak toward the ONE God if US is refering to other gods?

...as if God cannot speak and have thoughts of His own however He chooses to.

You are persuaded and attempt to break down the bible and believe what is myth to your own satisfaction according to other writings so that you can break down other parts of the bible you do not believe in and incorporate the modern books you believe in by removing what you do not believe in. You have been very much so influenced by gnosticism and mysticism and you can deny it, but it is written all over your speech.

The bible keeps track of the righteous seed for a reason, and for not every single thing that was written by others throught the times.

What I am going tell you is, have this discussion of ONE God with a bible believing Jew and see how far you get. Abraham was a Jew and is in the line of Adam who was created by the ONE God. You have not followed the story because you do not believe in the whole story.
You can take this to Judaism or Islam. It does not have to be only in Christianity.

You have already stated you believe the creation story of Adam and Eve is a myth. The virgin birth is a myth. You are also attempting to make God male and female which is not in the bible.
I disagree and will always disagree. We have stated our beliefs...end of discussion. There are many people who will love to debate this with you. I am not one of them.
it is a waste of time.
View US to the ONE God, and see it however best fits your needs.

Quahom1 · 03-12-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Basstian

I was really going to try to stay out of this one
I have no problem with saying God knows and understands and has feminine traits. It makes Him an all knowing God.

But I see great danger of deception in adding to or taking away from the 66 books we call scripture.

I would have to see God refered to as or the spirit refered to as Mother in at least two very clear verses before I would accept even beginning to consider the idea.

Dont go telling me rome screwed up the Bible its quoted to much in this thread for that. If you really believed it is that bad you wouldnt use it.

Jesus prayed Our Father which art in heaven.

Why isnt that good enough?

It is good enough. However this is a debate dag nab it. Now I never stated that the Judaeo/Christian God ever referred to Himself as a female, just that He said, "let us make man in our image...and He made them, male and female." That my friend leads to questions about the nature of the Almighty, at least for me. I opine it is an answer I will not find, until I get orders to transfer from this duty station, to the next...

v/r

Q

didymus · 03-12-2005, 09:36 PM

wow. everytime you write back i feel that you didn't understand what i said. I believe in one god. i never said that i believed in more than one. i said the way it is written in genesis appears to reflect that the author of genesis believed there was more than one god. whoever wrote genesis said us, i didn't use that word, i am merely pointing it out.

so to answer your question of why other gods aren't answering back, that is beyond my knowledge. i can't answer this for you anymore than you can tell me why god is referred to in the plural, maybe we should go to the jewish board and see what they say. maybe they'll shed some light on this.

i repeat, gnosticism and mysticism had and have nothing to do with my opinion. try being in christian circles for 12 years and never getting a straight answer from them on these legitimate questions. that was the motivator, not gnosticism. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to read and form an opinion on what was read.

Quahom1 · 03-12-2005, 09:55 PM

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