o~Death~o

[Postmaster]

That’s exactly how you think when you are in a dream, you think it's reality, you only discover you were dreaming until you wake up I believe life is the best form of reality we have and that we should live it as it's full. However I do believe there is greater reality that I can not grasp and that some humans are closer to it and others further away.

[Postmaster]

I'd like to add that once I had such a clear dream that when I woke up I couldn't distinguish it between a dream or something I had really did. During that day my dream had actually took place for real, so much so that I was even expecting after events to occur. That was the first time I realised that even time itself was an illusion in some sense.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

I'd like to add that once I had such a clear dream that when I woke up I couldn't distinguish it between a dream or something I had really did. During that day my dream had actually took place for real, so much so that I was even expecting after events to occur. That was the first time I realised that even time itself was an illusion in some sense.

Ah, time...an illusion, on that we both agree solidly! Time is an illusion.

Life is not, however, I pray we not waste it. Read Ecclesiastes, Postmaster. After, reflect on what is said at the end. You might take solace in the fact that life is not a dream.

v/r

Q

[truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Exactly

We live to simply to die, you see we are all going to die one day no matter what happens it doesn't really matter when, we have been dieing from the day we were born .. But what really matters is how we die. And that is the meaning of life to me at present. Life is nothing but a dream and just as a dream it's not true relality, yet we feel the negative feelings and we feel the positive feelings as if they were real. There is an even greater level of reality we will go to.

The mind is so powerful, that it can create something from absolute nothingness. Your hands can not take air and make clay, but your mind can create a thought from a void. From that thought your hands can make clay.

Dreams are the essence of all man's creations. Dreams become reality when will is empowered. The vibration to the hand and precise control determines whether the manifestation of the dream produces good or bad results. We must be careful what we create. We must be able to look upon the manifestation of the power of our minds with great joy and victory and assurance of the abundance of life. That is the satisfaction of life. That is what makes us stable in the reality we understand at this time.

[Virtual_Cliff]

Originally Posted by truthseeker

Dreams are the essence of all man's creations. Dreams become reality when will is empowered. The vibration to the hand and precise control determines whether the manifestation of the dream produces good or bad results. We must be careful what we create. We must be able to look upon the manifestation of the power of our minds with great joy and victory and assurance of the abundance of life. That is the satisfaction of life. That is what makes us stable in the reality we understand at this time.

This reminded me of the poem "Ode" by Arthur O'Shaughnessy:

WE are the music-makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems.

With wonderful deathless ditties
We build up the world's great cities,
And out of a fabulous story
We fashion an empire's glory:
One man with a dream, at pleasure,
Shall go forth and conquer a crown;
And three with a new song's measure
Can trample an empire down.

We, in the ages lying
In the buried past of the earth,
Built Nineveh with our sighing,
And Babel itself with our mirth;
And o'erthrew them with prophesying
To the old of the new world's worth;
For each age is a dream that is dying,
Or one that is coming to birth.

-VC

[Paladin]

How beautiful! Thank you so much for sharing that poem!

[ISFP]

i'm not really sure what i think about death. but i do know that loved ones can come back to you. their memory can hit you like a ton of bricks while washing the dishes, driving home, praying. they can come back to you in at least that form, and their presence is so vividly remembered sometimes you'd swear they were right there where you could touch and see and listen to them again. in the form at least, i believe that we survive death, in memory. and when no one is left to remember us, when all the people for whom our memories would have been affecting and touching are gone, we'll be together at least in the sense that we are all gone to that place of remembering life.

[Postmaster]

how about the people who do not have family and relatives and die lonely?

I suppose there will be always someone above who will take you into there arms. God loves everyone.

[Faithfulservant]

We were dying since the day we were born. Fact of life. People are fixated on death I believe because the uncertainty of what comes after... noone wants to think that they just cease to exist that eventually they wont be remembered... this is why there are so many deathbed conversions because people want the hope of something after they die.

[Geist]

I beleive Death is something that we like to ignore but without it you cannot have life. Nature is like an equilibrium(SP?) you need both to balance everything out. I don't believe that the knowledge of death gives us a sexual drive thats just base instinct however I do believe that death is slightly tabboo in our socities.

[ISFP]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

how about the people who do not have family and relatives and die lonely?

that's true. still, i can not be compelled to believe that we ever die completely alone. we effect others just by being here. we are drawn into one anothers' circles one way or another. it doesn't have to be a connection forged with love. true, many people die alone. but inevitably we effect others just by being here, for however long that is.

[sangam]

this poem by swami vivekananda beautifully presents the side of devine we prefer to ignore. dedicated as it it to Goddess of death Kali

Kali The Mother

The stars are blotted out,
The clouds are covering clouds,
It is darkness vibrant, sonant.
In the roaring, whirling wind
Are the souls of a million lunatics
Just loose from the prison-house,
Wrenching trees by the roots,
Sweeping all from the path.
The sea has joined the fray,
And swirls up mountain-waves,
To reach the pitchy sky.
The flash of lurid light
Reveals on every side
A thousand, thousand shades
Of Death begrimed and black--
Scattering plagues and sorrows,
Dancing mad with joy,
Come, Mother, come!
For Terror is Thy name,
Death is in Thy breath,
And every shaking step
Destroys a world for e'er.
Thou "Time", the All-Destroyer!
Come, O Mother, come!
Who dares misery love,
And hug the form of Death,
Dance in Destruction's dance,
To him the Mother comes.

[Damorith]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Maybe this is what the whole of nature is powered on. Maybe the more you understand of your dimise on a more consious level the greater you achive but at the same time its a greater burden to carry the more you understand it.

I wonder if anyone else has grasped this idea.

Great subject. Even though I am not as knowledgeable/experienced as many of you on this subject it seems, I still find it very compelling/interesting to think about.

The understanding of ones own death is called transcendence ( I think that’s what your talking about PM), its something everyone goes through. I believe there are different levels of transcendence and people choose how far they wish to go (or how deeply they want to understand). When you say “the more you understand of your dimise on a more conscious level the greater you achieve but at the same time its a greater burden to carry the more you understand” I think you hit it right on the dot. People choose how much they think about death, and (my opinion) the reason it is slightly taboo is because people are generally apathetic to it and would rather not think about it (thus have less of a burden).

Kind of like that saying, ignorance is bliss. People would rather be “dumb and happy”

PS: I love this site and love being able to share my thoughts to intelligent people who listen. Its hard to find people to talk to about so many of these subjects, especially at my age.

[Postmaster]

I'm glad you agree, a bit of pioneering thinking maybe

I'll call it the Skeptophanatos Theory. Which translates in English, Thinking of Death Limited to the members of Comparitive-Religion

Welcome to this site, it is great!

[Vajradhara]

life is a terminal condition.


PM, your recollection of your dream reminds me a bit of this, from the Chuang-tzu sections of the Tao Te Ching:

Once Chuang Chou dreamed he was a butterfly. He was happy as a butterfly, enjoying himself and going where he wanted. He did not know he was Chou. Suddenly he awoke, whereupon he was startled to find he was Chou. He didn't know whether Chou had dreamed he was a butterfly, or if a butterfly were dreaming it was Chou. But as Chou and the butterfly, there must be a distinction. This is called the transformation of beings.