Obama's Birth Certificate

[Nick_A]

For those still unsure about what Hawaii's options are, this may serve to help:

Suit targets Obama document | HonoluluAdvertiser.com | The Honolulu Advertiser

Hawai'i law states that only the person whom the record is concerned with, or a spouse, parents, descendant or someone with a common ancestor, can obtain a copy of a vital record. In addition, someone acting on behalf of the person — a personal representative or adoptive parents — can obtain a vital record. A copy could also be obtained via court order.
However, Okubo said, "If someone from Obama's campaign gave us permission in person and presented some kind of verification that he or she was Obama's designee, we could release the vital record."

So again that nagging, insulting, but obvious question arises. Being that Obama could release the records, why not release for everyone to see what most others would be proud of?

[Nick_A]

Andy Martin may be doing this for fame but regardless, it is a legitimate concern. Here is a copy of his suit. I hve no idea where it will lead so I will have to wait to see if anything happens.

Barack Obama Birth Certificate Hawaii lawsuit documents

[Nick_A]

Somthing's gatta give

WEBCommentary(tm) - Is Barack Obama Eligible to be President of the United States?

In response to Martin's request for a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate, the Democrat Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, and the Hawaiian Director of the Department of Health, Dr. Chiyome Fukino (Democrat) have both blocked access to Barack Obama's birth certificate. In response to the Berg lawsuit, Obama has filed a motion to dismiss and a motion for protective order which would prevent Obama from having to turn over any documents. Why?
Finally, why hasn't the so-called "mainstream" media demanded access to Obama's records and pressed for a straight answer to this important question? Had John McCain stonewalled efforts to get a straight answer when John McCain's status as a "natural born citizen" was raised, you wouldn't have heard the end of it. But then, McCain produced his records.

It seems that respect for the constitution has been replaced by the axiom "The end justifies the means." Obama's election even means openly denying evbidence that would clarify the issue. A national disgrace.

[bob x]

"But then, McCain produced his records."
He produced a birth certificate-- just like Obama did. The original hospital records, which would have settled the question of whether he was really born in the Canal Zone rather than elsewhere in Panama, are known not to exist.

[kiwimac]

And that's the nub of it. The record which proved that McCain was an American citizen is his Birth Certificate which is apparently not good enough if you're black or if your name isn't a good WASP / Irish Catholic name.

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

And that's the nub of it. The record which proved that McCain was an American citizen is his Birth Certificate which is apparently not good enough if you're black or if your name isn't a good WASP / Irish Catholic name.

Yours is a very dangerous form of racism. It seeks to manipulate the legitimate sufferings of others for politcal gain. It is nothing to be proud of.

[kiwimac]

Ah yes, right. Because I insist that if it is reasonable to accept McCain's Birth Certificate as proof of citizenship it is equally reasonable to expect that Obama's Birth Certificate fulfills the same function. Of course this is racist.

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

Ah yes, right. Because I insist that if it is reasonable to accept McCain's Birth Certificate as proof of citizenship it is equally reasonable to expect that Obama's Birth Certificate fulfills the same function. Of course this is racist.

Racism by definition is introducing race into a situation where it has no relevance. The constitution doesn't deal with race. Anyone with respect for it tries to uphold its value and potency. To question ones constitutional qualifications for the presidency is a show of respect to the constitutional concern. It is a legal issue and not a racial one To deny proving ones qualifications by openly resisting release of clarifying documents is abusing the constitution.

Race has no issue in this. To introduce it is a dangerous form of racism since it only serves to minimize the issues within which race plays an unnecessary but influential part.

[bob x]

Originally Posted by Nick_A

Race has no issue in this.

Then you should apply the same standards to the white guy that you apply to the black guy. This you refuse to do.

[Nick_A]

I openly request that the white guy in question McCain give permission to release any documents pertaining to proof of his citizenship. Too late. He already has.

Now lets see if any racists ask the black guy Obama to do the same or do they defend their racism and support non release of the requested documents.

[kiwimac]

The only document McCain released was HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Why is that good enough for McCain but not for Obama?

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

The only document McCain released was HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Why is that good enough for McCain but not for Obama?

Because it is believed to be a forgery. McCain is not withholding anything while Obama is. Simple enough. What is he hiding?

[bob x]

Originally Posted by Nick_A

Because it is believed to be a forgery.

I can make up a claim that McCain's birth certificate is a forgery, just as easily as you can make up a claim that Obama's birth certificate is, with the exact same amount of evidence.

Originally Posted by Nick_A

McCain is not withholding anything while Obama is.

When McCain was sued, he likewise DID NOT ask the archivists who handle the Canal Zone records to dig up the original hospital record of his birth. That has never been made publicly available: either it has been removed from the public archives, or destroyed, or it never existed?

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by bob x

I can make up a claim that McCain's birth certificate is a forgery, just as easily as you can make up a claim that Obama's birth certificate is, with the exact same amount of evidence.

When McCain was sued, he likewise DID NOT ask the archivists who handle the Canal Zone records to dig up the original hospital record of his birth. That has never been made publicly available: either it has been removed from the public archives, or destroyed, or it never existed?

You keep avoiding the obvious. Did McCain either on his own or by hiring lawyers actively prevent the release of any requested documents? Obama is doing just that. Again, what is he hiding?

[Nick_A]

Granted, I don't think this "admittance" will hold up but it is a good way of making the controvery better known so good going Mr. Berg.

Obama Crimes