Obama's DNC Acceptance Speech

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Netti-Netti

Hi Nick, Good of you to highlight her qualifications as someone who could function in the capacity of Commander-in-Chief. At least you didn't say she's a woman who'd look good in a Hilary pants suit.

Despite conservatives' frantic efforts to get some mileage out of it, I notice the liberal reaction has been very tame. I suspect liberals realize McCain's running mate pick speaks for itself as a decision that reflects badly on him and also as an indication of the limited pool of talent the conservatives have available to them. A sad commentary.

I expect the Republican voter turnout will be fairly low at election time.

I am wondering...who is bashing whom? I certainly have not bashed anyone on this thread, but you on the other hand, seem to have what "carte blanche"?

We'll see what happens in two months...

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by Netti-Netti

Hi Nick, Good of you to highlight her qualifications as someone who could function in the capacity of Commander-in-Chief. At least you didn't say she's a woman who'd look good in a Hilary pants suit.

Despite conservatives' frantic efforts to get some mileage out of it, I notice the liberal reaction has been very tame. I suspect liberals realize McCain's running mate pick speaks for itself as a decision that reflects badly on him and also as an indication of the limited pool of talent the conservatives have available to them. A sad commentary.

I expect the Republican voter turnout will be fairly low at election time.

Hi Netti

Sarah doesn't have to show off her butt. She already took second prize in Miss Alaska contest.

She does have a tremendous responsibility. The liberal agenda will try to prove her a hypocrite and drag her down to their level but my gut feeling is that she is so "out there" that it won't happen. You can say that with her experience she shouldn't be a heart beat away from the president which just proves that with Obama's less experience he shouldn't be president.

She sold off the Governors Jet and fired the chef while giving the money back to the tax payers. She'll come into Washington with the common sense quality of her being and fumigate the whole place. The liberals must prove her a hypocrite. If not her values are too attractive in these times of lost values and she will become influential. I see it already around where I live. Mention Sarah and people smile. She's like John Wayne in a dress. She represents something of value that a person can trust rather then the empty platitudes and obvious hypocrisy of those like Obama.

To Sarah Palin,

You go girl! We need you. The men have fallen victim to shared corruption and someone with values, intelligent, and unafraid to work with their hands has to come in with the broom and fumigating tanks, clean the place out, and replace it with some values worthy of America. You get it going and many mourning this gradual loss whether Democrat or Republican will volunteer to help.

[Garnet]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

No, those are your thoughts. I think he (Obama) will one day, make a fine president for this country, just not right now.

v/r

Q

(sticking to the OP)

I agree. If he doesn't get elected in two months, he will someday. I'm hoping he will get elected in November; the "troopergate" situation with Gov. Palin could implode.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Garnet

I agree. If he doesn't get elected in two months, he will someday. I'm hoping he will get elected in November; the "troopergate" situation with Gov. Palin could implode.

troopergate and her getting caught without a fishing license are indications at the level of straws we are grasping at.

Obama seems to be staying above most the fray, letting his minions and the pundits have a field day so he can stay out of the culpability.

I look forward to the debates.

[path_of_one]

I'm really not concerned at all with the "scandals" associated with Palin, which seem like ordinary human mistakes to me.

What I'm concerned with is that Palin is right of right. From what I understand, she is pro-life even in cases of rape and incest. She wants to teach creationism in public schools. (As an aside, which creationism? Do we also give the students the indigenous versions- Coyote or Raven creating the earth? Etc.).

I'm concerned that, from what I understand, she was a last choice when McCain got desperate and couldn't find a suitable alternative that wouldn't make the religious right mad. He barely vetted her. Virtually no one in Alaksa's government or business sector was asked any questions about her. McCain only met her about two times before choosing her as VP. She has no foreign policy experience and yet we are in a situation of desperately needing it in our highest officials. Overall, it looks like McCain made a rushed choice in an attempt to pacify the religious right rather than actually pick someone ready for the job.

If he makes it 4 years, then maybe her inexperience and religious right views won't matter. If he doesn't, then we get a president who has the competing demands of 5 children under the age of 18, who has no foreign policy experience, no national experience, and precious little state-level experience.

THAT was his best choice??? He either mistakenly assumes he is invincible, or he cares more about pleasing an outspoken group of Republican supporters rather than what's best for the country. He's questioned Obama's judgement and experience this entire time... and then he picks Palin? C'mon.

Just because you put a right-wing religious conservative in a skirt suit doesn't mean she's a good stand-in for Hillary.

Every Hillary supporter I know of finds her an unqualified, disastrous pick for a possible President.

I think he chose her to make the religious right happy. Which again smacks (to me) of 4 more years of Bush. And look where that got us.

[earl]

Originally Posted by wil

troopergate and her getting caught without a fishing license are indications at the level of straws we are grasping at.

Obama seems to be staying above most the fray, letting his minions and the pundits have a field day so he can stay out of the culpability.

I look forward to the debates.

Wil one of many reasons I dislike politics is minions taking potshots which we always see Both parties engage in. Of course, Obama did say during his acceptance speech that he did not want such a big election to be about small things. If, Palin's investigation results in sanction and/or legal trouble, of course it will significantly damage that ticket. Earl

[Nick_A]

Hi Path

What I'm concerned with is that Palin is right of right. From what I understand, she is pro-life even in cases of rape and incest. She wants to teach creationism in public schools. (As an aside, which creationism? Do we also give the students the indigenous versions- Coyote or Raven creating the earth? Etc.).

I agree with her. I'm all for teaching Intelligent Design:

Palin is a conservative Protestant and has also been a member since 2006 of Feminists for Life, an anti-abortion group. She has supported the teaching of intelligent design in public schools, alongside evolution. She is a member of the National Rifle Association, and has said Alaska's economic future depends on aggressively extracting its vast natural resources, from oil to natural gas and minerals.
Source: New York Times, pp. A1 & A10, "An Outsider Who Charms" Aug 29, 2008

"Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble." Einstein

I believe that one identical thought is to be found--expressed very precisely and with only slight differences of modality-- in. . .Pythagoras, Plato, and the Greek Stoics. . .in the Upanishads, and the Bhagavad Gita; in the Chinese Taoist writings and. . .Buddhism. . .in the dogmas of the Christian faith and in the writings of the greatest Christian mystics. . .I believe that this thought is the truth, and that it today requires a modern and Western form of expression. That is to say, it should be expressed through the only approximately good thing we can call our own, namely science. This is all the less difficult because it is itself the origin of science. Simone Weil....Simone Pétrement, Simone Weil: A Life, Random House, 1976, p. 488

Both Einstein and Simone are referring to Intelligent Design long before the name was adopted. If Sarah is bright enough to agree with the common sense of it, more power to her. It means IMO that she has gotten past the narrow mindedness dominant in the forms of child abuse we call education that insists on sustaining an unnatural division to the detriment of the young and future society.

[earl]

Path you are quite correct to point out that, if Mcain thought he'd snag some disaffected Hillary voters with Palin, that will backfire given her arch-conservative postions. Those are bound to actually inspire some of the Hillary-ites who may have sat out the election to vote Obama. I think McCain is even misreading current trends among so-called evangelical voters as I have read commentators point out that now there is no one evangelical voting block. That is, there is a growing trend among evangelicals to feel as passionately about social justice and the environment, which play more into the Democratic camp, as they may about pro-life or other more traditonally termed evangelical issues. earl

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by earl

Path you are quite correct to point out that, if Mcain thought he'd snag some disaffected Hillary voters with Palin, that will backfire given her arch-conservative postions. Those are bound to actually inspire some of the Hillary-ites who may have sat out the election to vote Obama. I think McCain is even misreading current trends among so-called evangelical voters as I have read commentators point out that now there is no one evangelical voting block. That is, there is a growing trend among evangelicals to feel as passionately about social justice and the environment, which play more into the Democratic camp, as they may about pro-life or other more traditonally termed evangelical issues. earl

Earl

I may be wrong but I believe that you underestimate and possibly do not appreciate Sarah Palin's appeal. The usual liberal crowd does which is why they are trying to find any means to attack her. It is idiotic that they complain that her husband had a dui 22 years ago even before they were married. The idiocy of this just goes to show what they are trying to do.

Sarah Palin represents quality of heart, intelligence, and independence which liberal politics rejects in favor of the attempt to manipulate society. She is a different kind of woman that people are influenced to forget through the media. I believe many women regardless of their politics will awaken to its value because of her.

If they feel that she can play an influential role in cleaning out Congress and the Republican party, they will back her because the attitude and the skill and determination to carry it out will be attractive.

As the campaign goes on she will inspire people to vote. I'd lost confidence in the Republican party as have many others. Yet if she represents the New Republican trying to regain the worth of the Party and the gradual transition from overt corruption and prostituting its values to character, I'll vote again.

We are becoming more slave to the "Great Beast" mentality described so well by Simone Weil and several others. Sarah Palin represents the quality of responsibility individuality rather than selling ones soul to the state.

People will feel it. Regardless of whether McCain wins, she will be a future influence on the Republican party for the good that long for the quality that should be reflected by its principles

This reminds me of the start of the Russian Revolution. the aristocracy and its associates had sold out to greed and corruption. Communism offered "change." Of course the people never anticipated it being change for the worse. In reality Obama is promising change for the worse since it is reliant on govt. control rather than individual obligation.

Sarah Palin by her life style represents individuality, character, and responsibility. She is not an empty suit spouting platitudes but her life reflects her beliefs.

She can reform since she cleaned out overt political corruption in Alaska. Has Obama cleaned out anything in Chicago? He talks a good game but he is surrounded by sleaze and openly asociates with it.

Water seeks its own level. Sarah Palin may very well inspire people to regain quality that's been lost. This is more than politics but an attraction to character that prefers not to sell ones soul to the state but to acquire ones individuality as proper for a human being.