One soul, one body, one eden!

[wil]

How can we know the truth or falsity of any of this?

Well we could always jump up and down and say it is in our holy books therefore it is true...get all red in the face and tell others they are wrong and will be condemned for blaspheming our almighty....just like we were taught to do.

Better to ask (if you believe) from where do WE come? Is not the spirit the real thing, and we the dream? Does it not draw us into existence with itself?

The questions of the ages, which each religion, denomination has attempted to answer...and when it doesn't we find/create new waves of thought that we accept

Fun things to think about, no doubt. And not to cast water on a lively discussion, how do these thoughts help me live my life tomorrow?

Gotta love it, where the rubber meets the road...the heck with tomorrow, if what you are practicing does not produce tangible acceptable results today, right now, this moment...if you can't use it in board meetings, family discussions, if it doesn't have practical value....

This is not meant as sarcasm, but an honest question. Or maybe my question is: Should I be concerned for more than my daily life/needs/wants?

Seek ye first the kingdom... For years I was happy in my own world, had my view of spirituality..didn't need a building or a community to belong to...till I found the one that fit my needs that resonated with my being...and then it stepped up my well being, life and outlook a few notches...life is good.

namaste,

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by _Z_

Bandit, hi.



Yea I am sure I’ll run out of ideas for new topics sometime.

Perhaps the spirit is simply there! Its like a sheet of paper upon which ‘reality’ is drawn, thence we and everything else are formed from this universal base.

There are three lines of thought on this that I can see:

• We are formed from conception as new, when we die we have been formed thus continue. The spirit is not separate from physicality, in fact the physical is a form of spirit – there is no duality in it. Perhaps when the human form is deceased, then the spirit goes back to its original nature – the original self, and we are ‘home’? [Nirvana perhaps?]. Or the spirit forms into a replica human in pure spirit i.e. the soul. This is the one life theory.
• We are first formed as single celled primordial life-forms, we then progress through all the evolutions until reaching human form. Once human we have enough universal dexterity and dynamism to break free from ‘this mortal coil’ and become souls and enter eternity. This is the basis of pagan, shamanic and Hindu philosophy.
• We do not exist, only the spirit exists and we are expressions of it. What we consider to be our inner self is in fact the universal self that is in all things. When we die it is of no consequence!

1 and 2 are most likely in my view, as when ‘we are not what we are’. That is to say, whatever we describe ourselves as - we always seam to be something other than that description! We may say we have an inner-self and even an inner most self [Buddhist philosophy] that is the primary nature behind the will, yet none of this is the true ‘nugget’ of that which we are! There is imho a crucial element to reality that is simply ‘us’, but does this apply to an amoeba or a tree or even a mountain. It appears that reality is back to front – with the resultant natures of things determining our progression through time and evolution.



It is like the future creates the past! What we become shapes what we are and were e.g. we are the sahu [transformed soul or body of eternity], we then descend into the natures [evolutionary creatures] that we are composed of. Thus we are a reflection of our true selves, as are the mountains, planets and stars.

The reason why I think this is that, in my experience when we enter a spiritual realm we meet people we know, where both they and we are the sahu! Many ancient cultures believed that eternity runs in the opposite direction to the universe.



Hmm I think I even confused myself there!


Z

i dont know what to think about it. i dont see any of it as an absolute dogma & i see the possibility of all of it, or some of it being true sometimes. i also see the possiblity of spirit being temporary for some also- but that is another thought all together.

if the spirit is just simply there as in always there, it seems we would remember more than what we do, say from only the age of 2. one of my aunts thinks we are all angels & God washed away our memory when we become human- not sure how she gets that but she swears by it.

i cant really say, but my hunch for myself is at conception but not limiting that to everyone.
i also see a 'type' of reincarnation when we leave the flesh & take on immortality without this carnal attached.

[presser_kun]

Originally Posted by Pathless

Hi, press. I like your avatar, by the way.

Thank you!

What is truth? Is it personal or universal?

Both, I believe. Even though it's important to discover each, the second, insofar as we are able to discern it, impacts and shapes the first. Or should, IMHO.

Truth? It's relative. What would you like to focus on? What kind of reality would you like to live in? Concentrate on that. What are you interested in? Work on that. Talk about it. Sing it. Bring it into being. Make it concrete. Create a beautiful sculpture from your cerebral ideals and airy-fairy values. Let's see if we can't unite this fractured world-soul and get beautiful.

I do, but yet...and yet...

I believe, and passionately so, that there is universal Truth, capital "T," to be discovered. And that it matters.

I do, as I just said, work to create the reality that I want. I sing it (I'm a composer, after all), etc.

But what if my little "t" truth is at cross purposes with b "T" Truth? Doesn't that matter? I think it does.

So I seek. Haven't arrived at much of anything like a conclusion, but I believe I'm better, stronger, more capable for the struggle.

I hope I haven't been too amorphous and vague, and I hope I didn't hijack the thread. Forgive me if I run off at the keyboard.

Running off at the keyboard - what a wonderful expression. I'm certainly prone to it.

I don't think you hijacked the thread (as seen from further posts below). And I appreciate your thoughts.

peace,

press

[presser_kun]

Hi there, Z.

Well yes we hope to find some sort of solution! I hope the above answers to a degree, where we come from – it will take some debate though I feel!

Well if you know the nature of your beginnings and to what you shall become [resultant nature], then this should help give purpose to your everyday life.

I agree. Now if only the Great Mind would deign to bequeath All Truth upon me....I mean, I'd certainly be willing to share what I know with others. And I'm sure I could work out a very reasonable charge!

Thanks for your thoughts, Z. Now I'll read the rest of the thread and catch up a little.

peace,

press

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by presser_kun

But what if my little "t" truth is at cross purposes with b "T" Truth? Doesn't that matter? I think it does.

Yes, I agree that our little "t" truths must coincide and emanate from the universal truth, otherwise we are going against the grain, and will create a mess o' trouble for ourselves and possibly other people. If what we call our personal truth is not informed by the universal truth, it really is no truth at all. Perhaps one of the goals of life is to refine our own personal truth to such a level that it merges into or maybe even becomes universal truth.

[presser_kun]

Originally Posted by wil

For years I was happy in my own world, had my view of spirituality..didn't need a building or a community to belong to...till I found the one that fit my needs that resonated with my being...and then it stepped up my well being, life and outlook a few notches...life is good.

Good words, wil. I should get back in touch with The Community.

*thinks a bit*

Hm, that sounded a bit like David Koresh....just meant connecting with others, that's all.

peace,

press