Origins of Jesus Christ

[Tommy Shue]

Being new to the idea of posting my findings of the last 50 years onto a public forum, do I need to provide a personal background to establish credability or just plunge right in? For example:
If you substitute the phrase"the sky" for the word heaven(ancient Greek-hevn) does it change your perception of what was being said at that time?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

Being new to the idea of posting my findings of the last 50 years onto a public forum, do I need to provide a personal background to establish credability or just plunge right in? For example:
If you substitute the phrase"the sky" for the word heaven(ancient Greek-hevn) does it change your perception of what was being said at that time?

Plunge right in, the waters are all good... If any sharks swim by, relax we have auto targeting harpoon systems... Welcome to the boards.. Interested to see what you are going to share.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

Being new to the idea of posting my findings of the last 50 years onto a public forum, do I need to provide a personal background to establish credability or just plunge right in? For example:
If you substitute the phrase"the sky" for the word heaven(ancient Greek-hevn) does it change your perception of what was being said at that time?

Namaste Tommy and welcome.

Originally Posted by TS

If you substitute the phrase"the sky" for the word heaven(ancient Greek-hevn) does it change your perception of what was being said at that time?

Look neither high nor low for the kingdom of the sky for it is in your midst.

um, yup.

[Dream]

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

Being new to the idea of posting my findings of the last 50 years onto a public forum, do I need to provide a personal background to establish credability or just plunge right in? For example:

Why would you post findings of 50 years without an anonymous handle? What if your work does not receive the respect that it deserves from some of us who chose to remain anonymous? Forum participants worldwide are notoriously unpredictable and famously stubborn. At least use a silhouette.

[Tommy Shue]

The "handle" isn't real. Its the same one though that I will use if I ever complete my novel. In the mindset of the people of Jesus' time only birdscould fly because they had wings. We all know that angels,or Gods messangers, are pictured with having wings too. Therefore we can assume that they "flew", came down from the sky to deliver their messages.But where were they coming from?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

In the mindset of the people of Jesus' time only birdscould fly because they had wings. We all know that angels,or Gods messangers, are pictured with having wings too. Therefore we can assume that they "flew", came down from the sky to deliver their messages.But where were they coming from?

Namast Tommy,

FYI. We are here for discussion, for discourse. I'm sure there are plenty of sites for puzzles and word games. If you have a comment, or an idea, or wish to partake in discussion, please do so. If you'd like to pose quizical questions for which you already have an answer....why in heaven (or in earth) would you ask a question??

Besides, yes everyone knows birds have wings, angels have wings, ducks have wings, so if an angel weighs the same as a duck its a witch. (and churches and small rocks float to, therefor they are birdangels)

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

If you substitute the phrase"the sky" for the word heaven(ancient Greek-hevn) does it change your perception of what was being said at that time?

No.

[Dream]

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

...We all know that angels,or Gods messangers, are pictured with having wings too. Therefore we can assume that they "flew", came down from the sky to deliver their messages.But where were they coming from?

Comics and manga are a rich source of ideas. In some, such as Marvel Comics or DragonballZ, the angels reside in another dimension that is separated from ours by means of vibrations not distance. In others, such as DC comics, the location of angels depends upon the assumed view of the reader -- what they believe. According to these fictions, angels might be in a far away place which can only be reached by traveling infinite distances, or they might be found through magic, dimensional shifts, time pockets, etc. Most of the writers who've experimented with giving the angels functional wings eventually had to convert those into merely ornamental or else magical structures in order to make the stories click. Well, at least thats how it seems to me.

[juantoo3]

Welcome to CR, Tommy Shue!

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

Being new to the idea of posting my findings of the last 50 years onto a public forum, do I need to provide a personal background to establish credability or just plunge right in?

Credibility? We don' need no stinkin' credibility...

Eh, this is pretty much a earn as you go place when it comes to credibility. Be careful though, there are a few sharks out there like Alex mentioned that do seem to have their logic (among other things) pretty well sorted out.

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

For example:
If you substitute the phrase"the sky" for the word heaven(ancient Greek-hevn) does it change your perception of what was being said at that time?

Dunno, would have to see what specifically you are referencing, and what the specific definitions are for the Hebrew or Greek word in question (Strong's Concordance invaluable for this). There may be places where what you say holds merit, likewise there may be places where it doesn't...would have to see on a case by case...

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

In the mindset of the people of Jesus' time only birdscould fly because they had wings.

Umm, yeah, sorta. I mean, the old timers knew about bats and locusts and other flying animals too. And then there's the little issue with Ezekiel's flying "wheel within a wheel" and the chariot that came and took Elijah away.

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

We all know that angels,or Gods messangers, are pictured with having wings too. Therefore we can assume that they "flew", came down from the sky to deliver their messages.But where were they coming from?

Do we know? *All?* I think within the confines of a modern Western culture you might get away with saying something like this...even then I would hesitate. For instance, do the Chinese view "angels" as having wings? Some of their dragons certainly do, but I don't know about their angels. Considering the Chinese make up about 25% of the world's population, give or take, I think that's a sizable amount to presumptively lump into the fold if they actually don't fit the statement.

What of India? What of aboriginal cultures? How does one account for Pagan cultures?

Now, if you are possibly hinting at the Von Daniken / X-files / "we are being visited from outer space" idea, you are not the first to raise it here.

Of course, I couldn't get any takers any time I ever raised the issue...they all wanted me to put my tinfoil hat away!

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Umm, yeah, sorta. I mean, the old timers knew about bats and locusts and other flying animals too. And then there's the little issue with Ezekiel's flying "wheel within a wheel" and the chariot that came and took Elijah away.

And there is that Egyptian hieroglyph that looks suspiciously like a helicopter.

What of India? What of aboriginal cultures? How does one account for Pagan cultures?

Interesting question. I've never tried to compare angels cross-culturally. I don't even know if a lot of other cultures (outside the Western ones) had the concept.

I can say that not all winged people are seen as angels cross-culturally. For example, faeries. Not the same thing at all...

Now, if you are possibly hinting at the Von Daniken / X-files / "we are being visited from outer space" idea, you are not the first to raise it here.

Of course, I couldn't get any takers any time I ever raised the issue...they all wanted me to put my tinfoil hat away!

LOL

[Dream]

I only mentioned the comics, because you're writing a novel. What kind of novel?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Hi Tommy, welcome aboard! Fish are friends, not food.

What's this got to do with Jesus? What sort of origins?

Chris

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

For example:
If you substitute the phrase"the sky" for the word heaven(ancient Greek-hevn) does it change your perception of what was being said at that time?

Umm, there is no ancient Greek word "hevn." There is no "v" in Greek. The word "heaven" is Germanic in origin. The Greeks used the term ouranos, which is from a root meaning "to cover, encompass."

Originally Posted by Tommy Shue

Being new to the idea of posting my findings of the last 50 years onto a public forum, do I need to provide a personal background to establish credability or just plunge right in?

See above. {Look to the heavens?}

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Welcome to CR, Tommy Shue!

Credibility? We don' need no stinkin' credibility...

Eh, this is pretty much a earn as you go place when it comes to credibility. Be careful though, there are a few sharks out there like Alex mentioned that do seem to have their logic (among other things) pretty well sorted out.

Huh? Does this make me a shark?

Dunno, would have to see what specifically you are referencing, and what the specific definitions are for the Hebrew or Greek word in question (Strong's Concordance invaluable for this). There may be places where what you say holds merit, likewise there may be places where it doesn't...would have to see on a case by case...

Well, since there is no ancient Greek word "hevn," to reference....if there is I'd like to see it.

[mee]

The Hebrew sha·ma´yim (always in the plural), which is rendered "heaven(s)," seems to have the basic sense of that which is high or lofty.
(Ps 103:11; Pr 25:3; Isa 55:9) The etymology of the Greek word for heaven (ou·ra·nos´) is uncertain.




The connection of the "heavens" with ruling power aids in understanding the meaning of the expression "new heavens and a new earth" found at Isaiah 65:17; 66:22
and quoted by the apostle Peter at 2 Peter 3:13.
Observing such relationship, M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopaedia (1891, Vol. IV, p. 122) comments:
In Isa. lxv, 17, a new heaven and a new earth signify a new government, new kingdom, new people."