pagan prophecy?

TheLovableNicola · 03-14-2005, 09:59 AM

should we give credit to a pagan prophecy of Christ?

Or should such prophecy be disregarded and why?

here is a quote from Virgil's fourth eclogue.
"Now the last age by Cumae’s Sibyl sung
Has come and gone, and the majestic roll
Of circling centuries begins anew:
Justice returns, returns old Saturn’s reign,
With a new breed of men sent down from heaven.
Only do thou, at the boy’s birth in whom
The iron shall cease, the golden age arise…
Under thy guidance, whatso tracks remain
Of our old wickedness, once done away
Shall free the earth from never-ceasing fear.
He shall receive the life of gods, and see
Heroes with gods commingling, and himself
Be seen of them, and with his father’s worth
Reign o’er a world at peace"

Sacredstar · 03-14-2005, 10:42 AM

Dear TheLovableNicola

Interesting that in July of this year we would have completed a two and half year cycle in Saturn in Cancer which is all about humanity taking responsibility and one of the Christian scriptures also mentions saturn.

Also the scholars that translated the NIV state that the message in the bible is clear that GOD wishes us to take responsibility for what we co-create. As stated in Genesis, wonderful confirmation.

"Be responsible for fish in the sea and birds in the air, for every living thing that moves on the face of the Earth."

Woe betide people that do not honour GOD's creation and continue to destroy the earth, for its states in the bible those that destroy the earth will themselves be destroyed.

Rev:21:4 NIV He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning, or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away". 4 He who was seated on the throne said:

I am making everything new! Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."

So I would say the pagan prophecy rings true. Thank you for sharing.

being love

kim xx

Quahom1 · 03-14-2005, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLovableNicola

should we give credit to a pagan prophecy of Christ?

Or should such prophecy be disregarded and why?

here is a quote from Virgil's fourth eclogue.
"Now the last age by Cumae’s Sibyl sung
Has come and gone, and the majestic roll
Of circling centuries begins anew:
Justice returns, returns old Saturn’s reign,
With a new breed of men sent down from heaven.
Only do thou, at the boy’s birth in whom
The iron shall cease, the golden age arise…
Under thy guidance, whatso tracks remain
Of our old wickedness, once done away
Shall free the earth from never-ceasing fear.
He shall receive the life of gods, and see
Heroes with gods commingling, and himself
Be seen of them, and with his father’s worth
Reign o’er a world at peace"

Hmmm, Native Americans' Shamen prophisised of the coming of a world savior, being one with father God...why not accept the Celtic diviner's vision?

As Jesus stated, ...let them who have an ear, hear.

v/r

Q

Basstian · 03-14-2005, 04:50 PM

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should we give credit to a pagan prophecy of Christ?

Or should such prophecy be disregarded and why?

These are very good questions

To the first question I say NO
Not because the prophecy isnt about Christ it may very well be. But because it doesnt fit in with what the bible says contains Light. The wise men that came to Christ sometime around his birth they may have very well been pagen. I believe the True God has been known to cultures since creation but as Christians we look to The God of Abraham Issac Jacob and The Father of Jesus. Knowing of Christ and Knowing Christ are two very diferent things.

To the second question should they be disregarded well that depends on how you regard them. Do they strengthen your Desire to Know God and His word or do they distract you with fairytales of other "gods" and confuse the simple truth of Gods Word.
Again I quote the verse that best fits.

Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I myself am glad you shared this with me it only strengthens my desire to know God but on the other hand it shows how easy my God can be mingled in with false gods in a mans writing so that truely the Light of truth does not shine very bright.

Quahom1 · 03-14-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Basstian

These are very good questions

To the first question I say NO
Not because the prophecy isnt about Christ it may very well be. But because it doesnt fit in with what the bible says contains Light. The wise men that came to Christ sometime around his birth they may have very well been pagen. I believe the True God has been known to cultures since creation but as Christians we look to The God of Abraham Issac Jacob and The Father of Jesus. Knowing of Christ and Knowing Christ are two very diferent things.

To the second question should they be disregarded well that depends on how you regard them. Do they strengthen your Desire to Know God and His word or do they distract you with fairytales of other "gods" and confuse the simple truth of Gods Word.
Again I quote the verse that best fits.

Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I myself am glad you shared this with me it only strengthens my desire to know God but on the other hand it shows how easy my God can be mingled in with false gods in a mans writing so that truely the Light of truth does not shine very bright.

Agreed, but for one small thing. God can call to anyone He wishes, and He can impart His wisdom where He will. Who are we to decide who gets the message and who doesn't?

Babies are fed milk, not meat...

v/r

Q

Basstian · 03-14-2005, 06:16 PM

For some reason I just thought of Jonah He was sent to Ninevah far off to the east os Isreal to warn a pagen city. And I ask myself why would God Care?

I know the answer Because He Loves and wants the best for all cultures and beliefs whether they want Him or not. He is not a respecter of persons.

So Yes Q He could and would call anybody at will. But we must use the scripture to prove the message whether it be of God or not. And we have very clear guidlines for doing that The Law and the Testimony.

Quahom1 · 03-14-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Basstian

For some reason I just thought of Jonah He was sent to Ninevah far off to the east os Isreal to warn a pagen city. And I ask myself why would God Care?

I know the answer Because He Loves and wants the best for all cultures and beliefs whether they want Him or not. He is not a respecter of persons.

So Yes Q He could and would call anybody at will. But we must use the scripture to prove the message whether it be of God or not. And we have very clear guidlines for doing that The Law and the Testimony.

Dear Basstian,

One cannot condemn a people who have never heard of Christ, or of Judeasm, but have seen the future of man, and identified the "Savior" of man, even in pagan faiths. To do so, is to be as guilty in arrogance as the Sehedrin that condemned Jesus to death...

You understand I pray...we are not them...

v/r

Q

Basstian · 03-14-2005, 07:05 PM

Just to be clear that is what I was saying too.
God does care and so should we not embracing doctrines of other faiths but embracing the goodness in each and striving to lead them to the truth.

Jonah's mission was a good example of that.

Quahom1 · 03-14-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Basstian

Just to be clear that is what I was saying too.
God does care and so should we not embracing doctrines of other faiths but embracing the goodness in each and striving to lead them to the truth.

Jonah's mission was a good example of that.

Arrogance, fear and denial is what put Jonah in water over his head...

Bandit · 03-14-2005, 07:40 PM

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He shall receive the life of gods, and see
Heroes with gods commingling,

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Justice returns, returns old Saturn’s reign,
With a new breed of men sent down from heaven.

IMO THIS IS A REAL GOOD CLUE TO DO AWAY WITH IT.

i dont really have much to say about this topic because most of this stuff that gets posted in Christianity I feel is an attempt to persuade in a direction away from the bible rather than toward it. Some pull up God is Love and scripture and the next thing you know they are teaching worship the moon, saturn and the earth goddess.

Israel departed from the worship of the true God and were repeatedly warned by God about the consequences of practicing a false worship system. One of Israel's major departures from God's worship system was their tendency to worship and serve gods represented by the heavenly bodies and to ignore their God who created and positioned the planets and stars to serve humanity

more often than not, this is not for a question of what should we do, but rather lets leave the bible and search the other path. This is very easily seen in the direction of ones speech and the things they speak of.

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10:14Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
10:15I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
10:16The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
10:17For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
10:18Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
10:19What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
10:20But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
10:21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

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But we must use the scripture to prove the message whether it be of God or not.

Yes and exactly.
I see things like this as a potential for another brother being caught in a snare more often than those who are desiring sincere milk.

Thanks but no thanks. i wont be adding anything else to this

Basstian · 03-14-2005, 08:48 PM

I must wholly agree with Bandit on this
I had started out in a meek manner to try to softly turn you towards the Bible
I was right in doing so.
But Bandits Hardline stance is more than appropriate for this type of thing.

So there you have it a still small voice and a voice crying in the wilderness both saying the same thing.

Prove those things whether they be of God.

Sacredstar · 03-14-2005, 09:01 PM

Dear Q

I was under the impression that Jonah lacked the courage to face the people with GOD's message hence why he ran away from his mission. I sure could not blame him! But as we know there is no running away from GOD's will.

Dear Bandit

Did GOD not make the sunlight for the daytime and the moon to provide light of a night so that we could find our way. Everything in creation as an excellent reason for being for GOD is the best architect!

Dear TheLovableNicola

Do you have any more to share ?

Has come and gone, and the majestic roll
Of circling centuries begins anew:
Justice returns, returns old Saturn’s reign,
With a new breed of men sent down from heaven.
Only do thou, at the boy’s birth in whom
The iron shall cease, the golden age arise…
Under thy guidance, whatso tracks remain
Of our old wickedness, once done away
Shall free the earth from never-ceasing fear.
He shall receive the life of gods, and see
Heroes with gods commingling, and himself
Be seen of them, and with his father’s worth
Reign o’er a world at peace"

The iron shall cease is also very important as the darkness on our planet is often referred to as the 'Iron Fist' that we face. This prophecy is wonderful confirmation 'shall free the earth from never ceasing fear' and it is written that the word Jerusalem actually means 'Vision of Peace'.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

Sacredstar · 03-14-2005, 09:06 PM

PS I feel we should always give credit where credit is due and honour all religions, cultures and races.

Quahom1 · 03-15-2005, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sacredstar

Dear Q

I was under the impression that Jonah lacked the courage to face the people with GOD's message hence why he ran away from his mission. I sure could not blame him! But as we know there is no running away from GOD's will.

Dear Bandit

Did GOD not make the sunlight for the daytime and the moon to provide light of a night so that we could find our way. Everything in creation as an excellent reason for being for GOD is the best architect!

Dear TheLovableNicola

Do you have any more to share ?

Has come and gone, and the majestic roll
Of circling centuries begins anew:
Justice returns, returns old Saturn’s reign,
With a new breed of men sent down from heaven.
Only do thou, at the boy’s birth in whom
The iron shall cease, the golden age arise…
Under thy guidance, whatso tracks remain
Of our old wickedness, once done away
Shall free the earth from never-ceasing fear.
He shall receive the life of gods, and see
Heroes with gods commingling, and himself
Be seen of them, and with his father’s worth
Reign o’er a world at peace"

The iron shall cease is also very important as the darkness on our planet is often referred to as the 'Iron Fist' that we face. This prophecy is wonderful confirmation 'shall free the earth from never ceasing fear' and it is written that the word Jerusalem actually means 'Vision of Peace'.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

Understood Sacred,

However, Pagan thought (no matter how wise) does not sit well within a Christian setting. You are being un fair to those who wish to discuss "Christian thought". You I'm afraid, are placing stumbling stones in front of the faithful, and it appears that you do so deliberately. That is not right...

You said you were going to start a new thread on EGO and God...I look forward to that.

v/r

Q

Sacredstar · 03-15-2005, 01:01 AM

Dear Q

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Understood Sacred,

However, Pagan thought (no matter how wise) does not sit well within a Christian setting. You are being un fair to those who wish to discuss "Christian thought". You I'm afraid, are placing stumbling stones in front of the faithful, and it appears that you do so deliberately. That is not right...

You said you were going to start a new thread on EGO and God...I look forward to that. Q

Well I feel that is a rather harsh statement, as this pagan prophecy fits perfectly with my own and other Christians direct communion with Christ.
So it seems that Christian fundamentalist thought is the only thing that is considered to be Christian on this forum? Is that fair and just? I think not !

Nothing is a stone in the path of the faithful lest those that put them there themselves, nothing stops anyone from sharing their hearts and love. But this is the era of unity and unity is about sharing, community, embracing not rejecting or resisting so let us share in the love of Christ and drop any misconceptions of any perceived injustice.

I posted the conversation with GOD on Ego earlier today you can find it in the alternative forum.

Love beyond measure

Kim xx

PS As soon as I saw pagan prophecy on the Christian forum I thought oh dear......maybe it should have been on comparative?