Pantheism and Panentheism

[Avi]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

I was beginning to think I was the only one who gravitation towards any form of panentheism!

What is pantheism and panentheism, and.......

Originally Posted by wil

u me n poo

are Wil, Brian and Poo the only believers in it ?

[Avi]

Oh yeah, it seems to me that pantheism and perhaps more so panentheism are the only logical realist views of what G-d could mean !!

Wasn't this Spinoza's view in the late 1600's ?

Are these views consistent with Islamic, Christian and Jewish world views ?

Does this idea transcend the Abrahamics and apply equally to the Eastern religions / philosophies ?

[shawn]

A point of view
Seems I was discussing this already, but not many got involved and it has moved down the list a ways.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by shawn

A point of view
Seems I was discussing this already, but not many got involved and it has moved down the list a ways.

My view is quite different, Shawn, from my perspective panentheism is not the same as "C" Consciousness.

But I have the feeling I might not be in the majority on this point of view !!!

[shawn]

The Universe is alive and aware is the premise of panentheism....how does this differ from consciousness which is awareness.....LIFE?

[Avi]

In my view G-d is well represented by pantheism and panentheism.

Pantheism is everything from what is deep inside the atom to what is at the outer edges of our universe. She/he is in the piece of sand on the table in front of you.

Panentheism is everything else. It is why your heart is more important than your mind.

And I never mentioned Mohammad, Christ or Moses. Ut oh, good thing I put this in the Belief and Spirituality sub-forum !!

[shawn]

IMO what we term as G*d is not merely the Universe we behold,
It is a form for the Formless....
ain, ain soph, ain soph aur.
The veils which cover the Holy and conceal the Shekinah from the profane.
We really only see so very little of all there is to behold.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by shawn

We really only see so very little of all there is to behold.

The World's Hardest-Working Telescope | Cosmology | DISCOVER Magazine

;-)

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Avi

In my view G-d is well represented by pantheism and panentheism.

Pantheism is everything from what is deep inside the atom to what is at the outer edges of our universe. She/he is in the piece of sand on the table in front of you.

Panentheism is everything else. It is why your heart is more important than your mind.

And I never mentioned Mohammad, Christ or Moses. Ut oh, good thing I put this in the Belief and Spirituality sub-forum !!

The Biocentric Universe Theory: Life Creates Time, Space, and the Cosmos Itself | Cosmology | DISCOVER Magazine

Is there a synchronicity somewhere in here?

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

The Biocentric Universe Theory: Life Creates Time, Space, and the Cosmos Itself | Cosmology | DISCOVER Magazine

Is there a synchronicity somewhere in here?

Couldn't forget the name biocentric so I went back to look at the thread:

The Biocentric Universe

I was pretty much just a distraction on that one . So I better go back and read it fully . Then give some thought to synchronicity.

[Eudaimonist]

Originally Posted by Avi

What is pantheism and panentheism

Pantheism:

Universe == God


Panentheism:

God exists in every part of the universe, and also transcends the universe.


eudaimonia,

Mark

[wil]

Thank you Eudamist for providing a distinction...

And Tao, once again I must warn you to be careful...

Originally Posted by Avi

Oh yeah, it seems to me that pantheism and perhaps more so panentheism are the only logical realist views of what G-d could mean !!

Wasn't this Spinoza's view in the late 1600's ?

Are these views consistent with Islamic, Christian and Jewish world views ?

Does this idea transcend the Abrahamics and apply equally to the Eastern religions / philosophies ?

Namaste Avi,

Seems your thinking of taking the 'en' boat for a test ride.....yes?

And as to all your questions...it depends who you ask. Some will say absolutely not, it does not conform in any way shape or form with our thought...others will say it does....and still others like me will tie it to string theory and an indication that not only is the physical world and u n eye 1, but the spiritual world and our religions (including atheism??) as well.

We are joined at the roots my brother from a different mother...

[Avi]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Avi,

Seems your thinking of taking the 'en' boat for a test ride.....yes?

Sounds pretty good to me. Interestingly, I think it is very consistent with traditional Jewish thought as well (not that that would stop me if I disagreed !!).

And as to all your questions...it depends who you ask. Some will say absolutely not, it does not conform in any way shape or form with our thought...others will say it does....and still others like me will tie it to string theory and an indication that not only is the physical world and u n eye 1, but the spiritual world and our religions (including atheism??) as well.

Panentheism seems like a good fit with science to me.

We are joined at the roots my brother from a different mother...

And you believe that mother is Pan ?

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

The Biocentric Universe Theory: Life Creates Time, Space, and the Cosmos Itself | Cosmology | DISCOVER Magazine

It is nearly certain, in my view, that our understanding of the universe is highly biocentric.

This is because we have severe limitations as physical and chemical sensors. And we are mathematically challenged .

Nonetheless, using deductive and inductive reasoning, we are slowly developing deeper understanding of our reality.

The connection to G-d, however, may be more psychological in nature.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Is there a synchronicity somewhere in here?

And the connection to synchronicity is also at the physics / psychology interface.

That is why Carl Jung and Wolfgang Pauli coauthored a book on the subject !