Paradise Is Near! - Page 3

17th Angel · 02-13-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dah-veeth

I agree you can say it's here, especially in your heart.... a heart near to God is in Paradise, I believe, no matter what world you're in.

Not just in my heart.... In my life.... I am in paradise.... What if there are those that do not need to seek it? Because they are already embraced by paradise? They need not wait til [insert date here]. I think it is like the quote "You want a miracle, be the miracle"..... Stop looking up, for answers look infront of you. The answers are there, you need to shape them correctly.... We shape the world around us, it is up to.... -us- to make paradise.... PARADISE IS NEAR!!!

Come hear the good news

Use the thing in your chest, combined with the thing between your ears, then set your own two hands in motion and the rest shall follow....

Perhaps it isn't us waiting on Allah (azza wa jal), but He waiting on us....

Makes me think of the other thread currently running with all man's predictions on "the end" I would wager the angels up there are making predictions on "the beginning".

flowperson · 02-13-2008, 03:50 PM

17th...very profound observations. And you might be interested to know that some of the freshest theories in science teach us that in every aspect of the material universe, endings are beginnings and beginnings are endings. Why shouldn't this also hold true in the realm of the spirit ?

flow....

Dah-veeth · 02-14-2008, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by flowperson

17th...very profound observations. And you might be interested to know that some of the freshest theories in science teach us that in every aspect of the material universe, endings are beginnings and beginnings are endings. Why shouldn't this also hold true in the realm of the spirit ?

flow....

I second that--very profound observations 17th!

"Know thou that the end is like unto the beginning. Even as thou dost consider the beginning, similarly shouldst thou consider the end, and be of them that truly perceive. Nay, rather consider the beginning as the end itself, and so conversely, that thou mayest acquire a clear perception. Know thou moreover that every created thing is continually brought forth and returned at the bidding of thy Lord, the God of power and might." -Baha'u'llah

mee · 02-14-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Joedjr

Hi Mee,
"Christs brothers" ? Are not all men brothers? John 10:16 "I have other sheep"..... You don't think G!d will accept anyone who keeps the "golden rule", even though they may not be Christians?
Joe

The ransom sacrifice of Jesus is for all humans . but the question here is ....... who are christs brothers ? .....remember it is only a little flock that are going to heaven to rule with Jesus christ, and it is those ones that are christs brothers , but the GREAT CROWD spoken of in revelation 7;9-10 have an earthly hope .

they also listen to Jesus voice but they are not part of the little flock, that is why Jesus said he would have OTHER SHEEP. but they do have the same shepherd .
"Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."—LUKE 12:32.

that little flock is 144,000 in number, but the GREAT CROWD do not have a number .
Jehovah God has decided how many he wants in the heavenly kingdom to rule with Jesus ,but the GREAT CROWD are without number .

Who, then, make up this little flock having such a wonderful prospect?

The followers of Jesus Christ who receive an anointing with holy spirit. (Acts 2:1-4)

Seeing them as heavenly singers with harps in their hands, the apostle John wrote: "I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, and no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish."—Revelation 14:1, 4, 5.

yes they are spiritually pure ones with no falsehood with them.

they are into pure worship .

Jesus does not want a spiritually unclean BRIDE OF CHRIST .who adultarates with others , only the ones pure in heart and mind are part of the little flock.

so the GREAT CROWD from all nations are helping that little flock by doing the same as them, and this is what the little flock have been doing . matthew 28;19-20 matthew 24;14 .

and those faithful ones are feeding the great crowd with lots of good things , and those good things are all inline with the bible and what Jesus taught

matthew 24;45-47 its good to know that some are DOING what Jesus asked of them. matthew 28;19-20.

Joedjr · 02-14-2008, 01:01 PM

Hi Mee,
This is from the NASB. John 10:16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
Joe

17th Angel · 02-14-2008, 04:05 PM

Intresting statement...

flowperson · 02-14-2008, 10:28 PM

HI...cue Twilight Zone theme .

flow....

mee · 02-15-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Joedjr

Hi Mee,
This is from the NASB. John 10:16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
Joe

yes thats what Jesus said ,he would have other sheep, he said OTHER because they are a great crowd not a little flock. but they all listen to the voice of Jesus and he is the one they follow .

but only a little flock are going to be with Jesus in heaven in the heavenly kingdom .

"Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."—LUKE 12:32.

"I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd."—JOHN 10:16.

yes they all have the same shepherd .

Joedjr · 02-15-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

but only a little flock are going to be with Jesus in heaven in the heavenly kingdom .

"Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."—LUKE 12:32.

Hi Mee,
It seems your use of Luke 12:32 is a bit of a stretch if that is support for the 144000.
Joe

Joedjr · 02-15-2008, 02:03 PM

Hi Mee,
At the start of this thread you claim that "paradise is near". I've yet to be convinced that this is correct. You can't seem to come up with hard evidence to show this as true. The claim that such a great transformation of our world is at hand would be great news to all the earth, something many have been waiting for. Again I'm going to ask for times and dates, if you don't have any then maybe your message here is not quite true.
Joe

mee · 02-15-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Joedjr

Hi Mee,
It seems your use of Luke 12:32 is a bit of a stretch if that is support for the 144000.
Joe

WHY? 144,000 is a little flock compared to the rest

REVELATION 7;9-10 It is a little flock in comparison to the GREAT CROWD from all nations ,

even now there are about 7 million all around the earth who are waving their symbolic palm branches , and not forgetting the ones that will be resurrected at a future time, who are dead in the grave right now John 5;28-29

yes i would say that 144,000 are a little flock ,and that is no stretch of the imagination. it is very clear to see, and the GREAT CROWD becomes a bigger crowd every day .

mee · 02-15-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Joedjr

Hi Mee,
At the start of this thread you claim that "paradise is near". I've yet to be convinced that this is correct. You can't seem to come up with hard evidence to show this as true. The claim that such a great transformation of our world is at hand would be great news to all the earth, something many have been waiting for. Again I'm going to ask for times and dates, if you don't have any then maybe your message here is not quite true.
Joe

1914 is the date that bible prophecy and chronology point too . but as for a DAY AND HOUR regarding the time when JEHOVAH steps into the affairs of man , the bible tells us that no man knows that day or hour , but one thing is for sure ,we are well along into bible prophecy and we are well along into the time of the end .

paradise conditions are not with us as yet ,because man is still ruling as yet. but when Jehovah has crushed all the human goverments and rulerships out the way then his kingdom can rule without the influence of the great opposer (satan) it is just as DANIEL 2;44 says

And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; daniel 2;44

the heavenly kingdom was set up in 1914, and it was while those kings or human goverments were still ruling , and as we can see it is Gods kingdom that will crush and put an end to all those other kingships.

then it will be real good .

BlaznFattyz · 02-15-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

1914 is the date that bible prophecy and chronology point too .

i believe the word is fabrication.

Joedjr · 02-15-2008, 04:31 PM

Hi Mee

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1914 is the date that bible prophecy and chronology point too.

evidence please

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paradise conditions are not with us as yet

didn't think they were

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then it will be real good .

sounds good

Joe

Joedjr · 02-15-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

WHY? 144,000 is a little flock compared to the rest

REVELATION 7;9-10 It is a little flock in comparison to the GREAT CROWD from all nations ,

Hi Mee,
You don't mind if I brought in a little more of Luke 12? From the NASB.

12:1 Under these circumstances, after so many thousands of people had gathered together that they were stepping on one another, He began saying to His disciples first of all, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees,

29: "And do not seek what you will eat and what you will drink, and do not keep worrying.

30: "For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things.

31: "But seek His kingdom, and these things will be added to you.

32: "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom.

33: "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys.

From Revelation 7
3: Saying "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our G!d on their foreheads."

4:And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:

5:from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,

Sorry, I don't see the relationship between these two bible passages.
Joe