Paul, the Cuckoo Bird

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Saltmeister

As far as I'm concerned, Paul's position in Galatians is more like that of Reform Judaism -- something had changed, the Jewish people no longer have to live in "bondage," the old traditions are still valuable, but the requirements are no longer valid. That is not Replacement Theology, but liberalism.

What do you really mean by "the Jewish People no longer have to live in 'bondage'"? Does it mean that the Law is not to be observed anymore? If one does not observe the Law, he or she transgresses the Law. Since transgression of the Law is the definition of sin and we are no longer under the bondage of the Law, does it mean we are free to sin without having to answer for our wrongdoings? If the death of Jesus has given you that license, what kind of people are you, amoral barbarians?
Ben

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by NiceCupOfTea

Paul rocks and he is going to kick your ass Ben.

Do you believe the only Scriptures that Jesus used to refer to as the Word of God? It says in there that, for the dead, love and hatred and rivalry have long since perished. And that the dead will never again have part in anything that is done under the sun. Read Ecclesiastes 9:6. Paul is dead, my friend, didn't you know that?
Ben

[NiceCupOfTea]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

Do you believe the only Scriptures that Jesus used to refer to as the Word of God? It says in there that, for the dead, love and hatred and rivalry have long since perished. And that the dead will never again have part in anything that is done under the sun. Read Ecclesiastes 9:6. Paul is dead, my friend, didn't you know that?
Ben

lol you took what i said seriously, so either my jokes arent funny or you have no sense of humour,

we all die and Paul is going to kick your ass in the afterlife

[Princely]

Agreed, Paul was a cuckoo deceiver.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by NiceCupOfTea

lol you took what i said seriously, so either my jokes arent funny or you have no sense of humour,

we all die and Paul is going to kick your ass in the afterlife

This is rather for your credit that I take you seriously. And Paul will not kick my ass in the afterlife, because, for the dead no longer know anything. For them, love and hatred and rivalry have long perished. (Eccl. 9:5,6) Besides, the place to spend the afterlife is the grave.
Ben

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Princely

Agreed, Paul was a cuckoo deceiver.

Really! So, why do you follow his gospel? According to your posts, I see no difference between your views and his gospel.
Ben

[Princely]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

Really! So, why do you follow his gospel? According to your posts, I see no difference between your views and his gospel.
Ben

I never have quoted Paul or backed anything he taught. Perhaps you confuse me with someone else.

[Servetus]

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the brief excursus into Replacement Theology you provided. It was somewhat informative, but highly flawed. At any rate, I found this bit amusing:

… A group of Interfaith Scholars have classified Replacement Theology as a kind of Antisemitism.

Let me guess: those are the same Interfaith Scholars who consider the entire New Testament and Christianity in general as a kind of Anti-semitism.
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Hi Saltmeister,

As far as I'm concerned, Paul's position in Galatians is more like that of Reform Judaism -- something had changed, the Jewish people no longer have to live in "bondage," the old traditions are still valuable, but the requirements are no longer valid. That is not Replacement Theology, but liberalism.

Thank you for clarifying. I read Paul’s statement, “cast out the bondswoman,” i.e., the Mosaic covenant, as an uncompromising, in this case highly illiberal imperative, but it is a matter of interpretation.

On another level, though, and this I like to think ties in, somewhat, with your views of the messianic era, to extend Paul’s (use of the) allegory in this case, it seems to me that Judaism, Christianity and Islam, or at least a remnant from among the three, will be, on some level, finally reconciled when once Hagar is recalled from the wilderness and Isaac and Ishmael embrace, at long last, in fraternal greeting. For that day, I wait.

Perhaps I should add that I addressed this recently in another thread.

Indeed you did. And with characteristic insight, I might add. Thank you.

[donnann]

Originally Posted by Servetus

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the brief excursus into Replacement Theology you provided. It was somewhat informative, but highly flawed. At any rate, I found this bit amusing:



Let me guess: those are the same Interfaith Scholars who consider the entire New Testament and Christianity in general as a kind of Anti-semitism.
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Hi Saltmeister,



Thank you for clarifying. I read Paul’s statement, “cast out the bondswoman,” i.e., the Mosaic covenant, as an uncompromising, in this case highly illiberal imperative, but it is a matter of interpretation.

On another level, though, and this I like to think ties in, somewhat, with your views of the messianic era, to extend Paul’s (use of the) allegory in this case, it seems to me that Judaism, Christianity and Islam, or at least a remnant from among the three, will be, on some level, finally reconciled when once Hagar is recalled from the wilderness and Isaac and Ishmael embrace, at long last, in fraternal greeting. For that day, I wait.



Indeed you did. And with characteristic insight, I might add. Thank you.

I believe judaism really does have a problem with the worship of a creator as just a male and I think they veiw some christians as doing that. The creator(s) is two one male and one female that even though two are also one as well as well as being three. A very complex entity. GOD is only half of this and when people say hes everything it disagrees with the original hebrew texts.

[donnann]

Originally Posted by donnann

I believe judaism really does have a problem with the worship of a creator as just a male and I think they veiw some christians as doing that. The creator(s) is two one male and one female that even though two are also one as well as well as being three. A very complex entity. GOD is only half of this and when people say hes everything it disagrees with the original hebrew texts.

By the way JESUS never did that. He did teach mary magdalene the doctrine of the wholeness of the creator which is why she is referred to as apostle to the apostles.

[donnann]

Originally Posted by donnann

I believe judaism really does have a problem with the worship of a creator as just a male and I think they veiw some christians as doing that. The creator(s) is two one male and one female that even though two are also one as well as well as being three. A very complex entity. GOD is only half of this and when people say hes everything it disagrees with the original hebrew texts.

However since JESUS was human and divine she being only human is not his actual female counterpart which is why they wont be together for infinity. JESUS counterpart has to be first his heavenly counterpart , an angelic being not only human in order for the female to be his infinite counterpart. This is the only way it works.

[donnann]

Originally Posted by Ben Masada

This is rather for your credit that I take you seriously. And Paul will not kick my ass in the afterlife, because, for the dead no longer know anything. For them, love and hatred and rivalry have long perished. (Eccl. 9:5,6) Besides, the place to spend the afterlife is the grave.
Ben

There will be no more death and no more hades...hades means the grave in texts. So why would that be the place the spend any kind of life. JESUS resurrection has a purpose to spend it where everyone belongs......in paradise.

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Princely

I never have quoted Paul or backed anything he taught. Perhaps you confuse me with someone else.

I have not asked for quotes you have mentioned about Paul but for the similarity of your views to his. How can one reject the preacher and adopt his doctrines?
Ben

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by Servetus

Hi Ben,

Thank you for the brief excursus into Replacement Theology you provided. It was somewhat informative, but highly flawed. At any rate, I found this bit amusing:



Let me guess: those are the same Interfaith Scholars who consider the entire New Testament and Christianity in general as a kind of Anti-semitism.

BTW, to tell you the truth, the NT is the main source of Antisemitism in the history of this plague in the world. And for the flaw you have concluded my thread to be, would you care discussing the issue? I could learn a thing or two from my mistake brought to light.
Ben

[Ben Masada]

Originally Posted by donnann

I believe judaism really does have a problem with the worship of a creator as just a male and I think they veiw some christians as doing that. The creator(s) is two one male and one female that even though two are also one as well as well as being three. A very complex entity. GOD is only half of this and when people say hes everything it disagrees with the original hebrew texts.

Now, compare your definition of the Creator as of being two (male and female) and that of Jesus in John 4:24, that the Creator is Spirit, and that the only way to relate to Him is in a spiritual manner. That's a Jewish definition. Yours is Greek. I'll stay with the one of Jesus'. It means that Judaism has no problem as worshiping the Creator is concerned.
Ben