Perfection

YO-ELEVEN-11 · 03-25-2007, 01:31 AM

Most people seem to want "perfection". My understanding of perfection takes on many forms. i.e. Some things that challenge me seem like a "perfect" fit for my personality. My question is What is Perfection?

Any Thoughts?

elme · 06-20-2007, 03:44 PM

i would say that perfection is in the mind of the beholder...

to me it is executing something, anything, from a thought to an action, with truth, integrity, transparency, for the love of it, to the best, compassionate & passionate, of your ability.

i think i got that across ok. making sense?

Thomas · 06-20-2007, 03:59 PM

Well, asking that in the philosophy section is opening a bit of a huge investigation.

The perfection of anything rests in the fullness of its being - any natural thing is perfect when it is all that it can be ... when its fulfills its potential.

Everything tends towards it own perfection, Aquinas said ... all movement is a quest for rest ... stuff like that.

Thomas

LeoSalinas22 · 06-20-2007, 04:00 PM

hello everyone,

i know this isn't the christianity thread but i couldn't resist! you ask, "what is perfection?" well, to me, perfection is best described by paul the apostle:
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
perfection will be attained when this dusty body gets sown in to the earth when we die, but gets raised after we hear the voice of Him, theeeeen we will be perfect, because the former flesh has passed away and now we will be pure spirit, just like in the beginning of creation. sorry, if i seem like i am prosetilyzing. God bless you all...

Francis king · 06-20-2007, 11:15 PM

perfection... a mental sensation which is like being wrapped in a warm duvet on a cold morning, alighting upon something so right, in form, in essence, in sense, in construction, in simplicity, a thing so beautiful that a person's senses fall upon it and it causes them to sigh, involuntarily, exhaling... ahh... that to me is perfection...

pseudonymous · 06-21-2007, 12:43 AM

perfection is the smoke after the orgasm...

Tao_Equus · 06-21-2007, 03:07 AM

Perfection is holding your child for the first time

Postmaster · 06-21-2007, 10:38 AM

Know one can ever be perfect, but to perfect is how efficient you can make your given attributes.

elme · 06-21-2007, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

hello everyone,

i know this isn't the christianity thread but i couldn't resist! you ask, "what is perfection?" well, to me, perfection is best described by paul the apostle:
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
perfection will be attained when this dusty body gets sown in to the earth when we die, but gets raised after we hear the voice of Him, theeeeen we will be perfect, because the former flesh has passed away and now we will be pure spirit, just like in the beginning of creation. sorry, if i seem like i am prosetilyzing. God bless you all...

i don't mean to be contentious when i ask: When you say after our body has disintegrated and we are pure spirit, as you mention, what about this state of pure spirit-ness will be perfect that CANNOT be whilst on this material plane? I think we're trying to pin down qualities and tangible things through words that we all can relate to ...

In other words, i would just like you to elaborate!

peace & blessings

LeoSalinas22 · 06-21-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by elme

i don't mean to be contentious when i ask: When you say after our body has disintegrated and we are pure spirit, as you mention, what about this state of pure spirit-ness will be perfect that CANNOT be whilst on this material plane? I think we're trying to pin down qualities and tangible things through words that we all can relate to ...

In other words, i would just like you to elaborate!

peace & blessings

hello elme,
sorry if i confused you, but i will elaborate on my post. i read somewhere that you were muslim, am i correct? i don't know if in islam it is believed that there will be a resurrection, but from what i have been reading in the bible, there will definately be a resurrection of the dead. i can go into scripture but i don't want to make you feel like i am witnessing to you, though feel free to ask if you want me to back this up with scripture. anyways, throughout the bible, man is constantly being compared to trees, fruits, harvests, branches, weeds, etc. you name it, if it is a plant, man is compared to it! and man is like a plant as well. we need water, we have "seed", we absorb sunlight, if we are near a water source we grow and survive, if not we die, like in this psalm:

Psalms 1 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
another good example of how we are like plants or fruits is an orange, if you notice it, it has pores, just like human skin, if you sqeeze it, it will "sweat" and you will be able to smell its odor.
ok, so in the beginning we are like a seed, right? if you look at a seed, it is dead, no life in it. but if you sow it into the earth, boom, it is an apple tree, or a pine tree, or an oak tree. full of life, beautiful, fruitful, it gives life to others, it gives shade or shelter to those who need it. but if you notice, it dies in winter but it comes back again in spring. so why is it insane to think that the same applies to man? you cut us, we heal don't we? if you chop a tree down it doesn't die, it just grows back. now if you pull it from the roots and cast it into the fire, that is a different story. so my point with all of this, is this. look in the mirror. what you will see is just temporary. what you will see is just the seed. it is the shadow of what is to come. we aren't perfect right now, it is impossible to be perfect because if we were, there would be no killing, lying, cheating, stealing, lust, etc. to some people they may "feel" perfect, but that is up to each person and that is ok. there is no problem with that, but to me, i am just a shadow. a seed. i don't care how much good one has done in their life, no one is perfect.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.again, you can feel perfect. you can be spiritual right now. but i don't know about you, but with me, my spirituality comes and goes. when it comes, i cry my eyeballs out, hoping and praying to be with God in my fullest potential, not this weak shell. when my spirituality goes, i am then left with my ego, anger, childlike cravings, all the bad stuff that is impossible to co-exist with the Creator of heaven and earth. flesh cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. flesh will inherit the dust of the earth, but the Spirit, when we are one with the Spirit is when we will finally be created perfect. then we will truly love one another. sorry if i sound nuts, but this is all from my point of view. i don't want you to take this like if you should accept it because you have your own way of thinking and your own opinions. i am just elaborating on my post. sorry if it was too long but when it comes to talking about God, i can go on and on. well, hope to hear from you soon if not, that's ok. thanks for listening and God bless you to times indefinate...

greymare · 06-23-2007, 08:15 AM

perfection is......me ........and you.......if you want it to be

spiderbaby · 07-25-2007, 05:38 PM

Perfection is the state of highest entropy.

Paladin · 07-26-2007, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spiderbaby

Perfection is the state of highest entropy.

A very intelligent answer, thank you.

17th Angel · 07-26-2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by YO-ELEVEN-11

Most people seem to want "perfection". My understanding of perfection takes on many forms. i.e. Some things that challenge me seem like a "perfect" fit for my personality. My question is What is Perfection?

Any Thoughts?

Perfection is the same as beauty, the same as good and the same as evil.... It is all in the eye of the beholder... I see perfection in all. Some will argue this point.

There are those that strive for it, there are those that strive to maintain it and there are also those who strive not to have perfection...... It is something that squares up right to the personal opinons, values and norms of that person(s) They're all perfect.

Comet · 10-01-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by YO-ELEVEN-11

Most people seem to want "perfection". My understanding of perfection takes on many forms. i.e. Some things that challenge me seem like a "perfect" fit for my personality. My question is What is Perfection?

Any Thoughts?

Alot of us want perfection i guess i am in alot of area's. Perfection is what we strive to be every day it challenges us to be perfect or better person.

Perfection to me i think is part of the beauty within us! How we live our life that reflects our personality some like perfection others do not!

Perfection to me is a perfect concert!