Please pray for me.

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by Alex P

*offers a party hat*

Accepts said hat, and hands over a noise-maker!

I didn't exactly mean envy, I mean like appreciate your experience it is quite a lesson.... But yes you admit it was hard and you also admit you'd do it again, for Love right? You've learnt you got a good bond! Seriously, and from this it has also beome stronger ten fold. I guess we all learn Love is an amazing thing, but there are times it is hard and there is sadness because we are aware of the lack of Love.... But the loss we can lose from not trying to love is a greater loss than to never try... So can see what I mean?

Oh, yes, I understand now. You didn't strike me as the overly romantic type that glamourizes the rough spots, but one never knows! I've had a few women insist that they would just love such a romantic story. There are romantic spots and rough spots, but I find no use in making the rough spots sound romantic!

And yes, I would do it again for love. Even at the time, I never wanted to erase the love because of the pain. I've always been kind of in love with love, if you know what I mean. Not in the sappy champagne and chocolate way, but more like the deep, spiritual, soul-wrenching way. Sincere and profound love of any type is just the most beautiful thing on earth, whether I see it in husband/wife, parent/child, friends, strangers, or the earth herself.

Hey who told you the path would be straight, clear and easy....

Eh, I should have known after seeing most of my family divorce as a kid, but hey, Cinderella is a great story! It's hard to resist that "happily ever after" goal... "lovingly ever after" is something a bit different!

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

Accepts said hat, and hands over a noise-maker! !

Party over here!!

Originally Posted by path_of_one

but I find no use in making the rough spots sound romantic!

ORLY?

Originally Posted by path_of_one

And yes, I would do it again for love. Even at the time, I never wanted to erase the love because of the pain.

Well you made that sound really special... I'd see a lesson in that romantic rough spot... So I dunno, maybe there is some use?

Originally Posted by path_of_one

Eh, I should have known after seeing most of my family divorce as a kid, but hey, Cinderella is a great story! It's hard to resist that "happily ever after" goal... "lovingly ever after" is something a bit different!

What we talking about! The past mistakes of our Kin doesn't set our fate... Look at you back with Mr Hubby.... You've shown the lovingly ever after ending can happen...

[Pico]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

Mods, feel free to move this if you feel another forum would be more suitable. I didn't know where to post.

I know a lot of you don't agree with me on theological points, but I also know we are all in the body of Christ and that you all love Jesus and God as I do. I know you all believe in the power of prayer as I do.

I'm facing an enormous amount of pain right now and the only strength and comfort I have is Jesus. I am utterly exhausted emotionally and it is only my spiritual life that is keeping me going at this point. I know without a doubt God has a plan for me in all this and that Christ will be my rock, my protector, my healer, and my friend. I also know I will never be the same person when the storm subsides, and honestly, I'm struggling to accept what I've been dealt.

Please keep me in your prayers- not that my life gets better, but that my faith grows stronger. That God's will is done and that I can come to a place of peace and acceptance. My life has ever been in Christ's hands, and no matter how much I hurt, the Bible promises me it is not more than God will help me bear. I want with all my heart and soul to let go and just come to peace in all this, but I'm really struggling, so I ask all of you for your help.

This virtual place to discuss with others the deepest part of who I am has been an incredible blessing. I'll be around, but I may mostly take a break for a couple weeks. I'll be reading stuff, but I probably won't post much for a little while.

Peace to all and thank you,
Kim

Hey, i haven't read a work past what I've quoted here from your post, but one thing I know is that God wants us to rely on him for everything. And the sufferings we endure help teach us how to. They also show us how God will care for us even though it might be hanging by a thread.

I will pray for you. And they will be answered

P.S. And as the Bible says, we suffer so we can comfort others who suffer. God has plans for you yet

[flowperson]

Path and AP:

Thanks for picking this thread up and for provoding such fascinating and gratifying reading. Path you have crammed fifty years or so of spiritual experiences into a ten year period. I am so happy for you and your husband.

It is such a variable thing. Here as a child I never saw the ugliness of divorce, and my two have seen it twice. But my two marriages turned out to be irreconcilable after 17 and 14 years respectively. I seemed to grow and neither of them did, and they both had to be over or I was in perilous danger of losing my self, the greatest tragedy in life.

Both of you carry on and take care. We are all brothers and sisters and require each other's support and love.

BTW I once had a very wise pastor and friend who told me when I was going through the first horrible realizations that there are two kinds of marriages. The first and best are those based upon "agape" forms of love. That sort of love in which both parties would have no qualms in giving up their life for their partner. All the rest are business arrangements. Unfortunately I got stuck in the latter category, twice despite my best efforts.

flow....

[17th Angel]

Oh flow Sorry to hear that... But, hey you're smiling! It takes strength in all sorts of situations. And flow... Your only just starting your jurney man The woman who is right for you could come along any time you know?

-Sorry keyboard is trying to make jokes... Those typos were all the keyboards fault-

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by flowperson

BTW I once had a very wise pastor and friend who told me when I was going through the first horrible realizations that there are two kinds of marriages. The first and best are those based upon "agape" forms of love. That sort of love in which both parties would have no qualms in giving up their life for their partner. All the rest are business arrangements. Unfortunately I got stuck in the latter category, twice despite my best efforts.

flow....

Happy anniversary to me... Hubby is still sleeping... he's not an early riser...

It is a completely gorgeous blue-sky day! Time for hiking in the mountains!

Flow... I feel for you completely, because I saw the same thing happen with much of my family.

I think the really hard part is that both people have to be willing to love with that unselfish agape love. It's hard to do, because you're also sharing every moment and your most intimate self with your spouse. You have to work out problems ranging from the Big Ones like having kids, balancing career, and so forth with all the mundane but stressful stuff like paying bills. Plain and simple, it's really hard to live with someone 24/7 and still be in love. It takes a lot of work, not necessarily on the relationship, but on oneself. And both people have to be willing to do it, or it doesn't work.

We went to counseling for a little while after our separation, but to be honest, it was not helpful. Except that we often came away laughing at the oddness of counseling, which might have been helpful and bonding but not exactly what the counselor had in mind. What I found is that we didn't have to work that hard on the marriage. It wasn't the marriage that was the problem, really. It was each of us, with our selfish desires, and our fears, and our insecurities. Much of what we had given up and sacrificed was, in fact, done out of insecurity (I want him to keep loving me) or fear (what if he doesn't like me as I am?) or selfishness (surely, if I do this, he'll do that). But that is the wrong way to approach giving and we became exhausted and worried and distant.

What I found out is if you give from the right place, you are able to recognize your own needs without being selfish. You're able to give what you can give without giving up yourself. And you're not afraid or insecure; you don't wonder if it is enough.

[17th Angel]

I am Loving this feeling we've got going on here...

[Tao_Equus]

Hi Flow,

Just came across this thread and wish to say I'm with you buddy. Wish we were even in the same country so we could take in a beer and maybe feed republicans to them there gators. Know one knows better than you that nothing stays the same. I know that you will see this as an opportunity not a closed door. And if all else fails you can just start bouncing!! Works for me every time!!

YouTube - I Like Bouncing-Not the Nine O'clock News


Sorry quality is poor but still worth it

[Tao_Equus]

Path, Happy anniversary

[flowperson]

Ty Tao...and you can be sure that if I ever get across the pond to visit yer digs, you are first on my list. I'm a bit of a geezer, but I can still bounce pretty well. Just another old school R&B guy I guess. One of my favorite films is The Committments.

As a side issue perhaps the most disturbing coincidence regarding the ending of my second marriage was that the proclamation went before the judge and was ruled upon on the morning of 9/11/2001.

flow....

[dailogue is the best]

Hello dear kim,

I always remember your comforting, spiritual words in any posts of yours. I m praying for you dear, and for any one who is in distress and pain. May God remove all our worries, and turn our moments of conflict into moments of joy and "toghethrness" with Him

May God hold you protectively in the palms of His hands throughout all your life, dear.

I always see life as a trial to our faith as the Quran teaches us. Nothing of this world life should separate us from our and unique reason behind our creation, which is God's worship. Since, sister, the cause behind your divorce is God's satisfaction, be sure, dear, that God will compensate you with more and more pleaures that you have never dreamt of. The most important of whcih would be spiritual. And who knows? as a return to your sacrifice, God may change your husband to what you believe in, and gather you again as a husband and wife....who knows?

I am with you, honey......Be with God, and you will see Him with you....nothing can compensate our separation from Him, but with Him, everything is more than compensated.....We lose everything if we lose Him, but we gain everything, if we find Him....

My sincere prayers, dear Kim
DB

[Faithfulservant]

Wow what a touching inspirational experience this thread has been for me thank you very much.. to see how God can fix what we think is impossible to fix. Just awesome

[Quahom1]

I think I can say for certain, that prayers and meditation for Path of One and her beau...WORKED!

Theirs is a bountiful relationship, and I've seen it first hand.

Good job! (and may God continue to bless that union).

v/r

Q

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I think I can say for certain, that prayers and meditation for Path of One and her beau...WORKED!

Theirs is a bountiful relationship, and I've seen it first hand.

Good job! (and may God continue to bless that union).

I have no doubt He will.

Q, you are not forgotten. A little prayer goes out everyday for you too. Just keep in mind that sometimes the answer we receive might not be the one we want, but it always works out for the best if we let Him do the driving. I know you know that, but sometimes we need reminding.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

I have no doubt He will.

Q, you are not forgotten. A little prayer goes out everyday for you too. Just keep in mind that sometimes the answer we receive might not be the one we want, but it always works out for the best if we let Him do the driving. I know you know that, but sometimes we need reminding.

Thank you. I know I'm not forgotten. And I am doing well. So your little prayer obviously goes a long long way. Again, from my heart, thank you Juan.

v/r

Josh