Pope: Other Christians not true churches

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

And the last thing we need is a pompous statement from a non catholic, who doesn't know his backside from a hole in the ground, pertaining to the Roman Church. Really Tao, that is rather rude, don't you think?

Don't insult, if you do not want to be insulted...

or is that do unto others...?

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Q

Hey! Welcome back, Josh! We missed you. Tao missed you, too.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Dondi

Hey! Welcome back, Josh! We missed you. Tao missed you, too.

Why? He likes me griping on him?

thanks Dondi.

[Thomas]

Hi Wil —

Originally Posted by wil

... the current pope has some time to understand grow in his new position...his flock will assist.

You show me the place in Scripture where Jesus Christ led an ecumenical service, calling on His own God, and the gods of Rome, Greece, and whoever else present, etc., to bless His audience.

If not, I suggest your retired Monsignor needs to think again.

What his example says to me, from admittedly your somewhat bald account is that:

1 - He is in breach of his vow as a priest,
2 - He is promoting at least one heresy.
3 - He is in breach of the First Commandment,

Personally, Wil, I think it's this kind of thing that necessitated the Church stating the position precisely so there can be no doubt about what has always been the case, and always been believed by Catholics. And note our Orthodox bretheren support us on that point.

Otherwise the next thing we'll have is people insisting that a Buddhist monk can distribute the Christian Sacrament to a congregation of Brahmins, because, hey, it's all the same God, right?

This is not an example of ecumenism, faith in action, charity or brotherhood — it's a laissez faire faith founded on pure sentimentalism.

Thomas

[wil]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

And the last thing we need is a pompous statement from a non catholic, who doesn't know his backside from a hole in the ground, pertaining to the Roman Church. Really Tao, that is rather rude, don't you think?

Don't insult, if you do not want to be insulted...

or is that do unto others...?

I suppose it could very well be do onto others when the Pope says everyone else is wrong, he should expect and may deserve venom when he spews it. I welcome you back also Q, but in your response you made no response to his numerous points against the organization, but did make a personal insult against him, and that was rude.

It is normal for those from the outside of anything to have many ideas about the situation... (somebody said....I used to have three theories on child raising, now I have three children and no theories) and we all know the 'church' is not without sin, $660 million this week is a drop in the bucket to what they owe. This Pope is doing them no favors and washing away the goodwill of a Pope who was loved and respected well beyond the walls of the 'church'.

On Tao's statements...they will continue as the church itself has said that no one deserves forgiveness until they admit their sins and ask for it....they've got some time to spend in the confessional...

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

And the last thing we need is a pompous statement from a non catholic, who doesn't know his backside from a hole in the ground, pertaining to the Roman Church. Really Tao, that is rather rude, don't you think?

Don't insult, if you do not want to be insulted...

or is that do unto others...?

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Q

Thank you Q!! It is wonderful to have you back

My opinion is that Pope Benedict does indeed deserve to be insulted, ridiculed and, most especially, exposed for the moral bankrupt that he is. As I write my Catholic girlfriend is at Mass. She is Polish and a devout catholic. At the beginning of our relationship my status as an unbaptised heathen was a real problem for her. In fact we would not be together now if the priest from whom she sought permission had not given his blessing. And this is the issue. The authority the Pope and Priests has over the minds and freedom of so many Catholics. Given the extremely shady history of the Catholic church and its ordained representatives every man as a man has the right to question its moral authority to say anything. Cathoilic way of life touches me personaly and I have every right to comment on it. I have seen first hand the cruelty and abuse meted out by Catholic Nuns at Nazereth House here in Edinburgh when I was at school. These "good sisters" routinely tortured innocent orphan children reducing several to nervous wrecks that have to live a lifetime of scarring from this abuse. So do not tell me I dont know my back-side from a hole in the ground. My back-side knows perfectly well its function in regard to the hole in the ground of Catholic moral authority.

The Pope led a group to hide child sex abuse within the church from the wider public. This, and this alone qualifies him as a criminal guilty of the obstruction of investigation and withholding evidence. I do not insult. I speak cold hard truths. The current Pope, as they invariably are, is a political appointee from within. He was not chosen because he is a "good man".

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle15190.htm

Regards

Tao

[China Cat Sunflower]

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I read the Dominus Iesus and I don't see the big deal. Imagine that the Pope is the CEO of Coca Cola. Basically he's saying that while Dr. Pepper, RC (ha! RC), and Pepsi are indeed cola drinks, they are in no wise THE cola that Coca Cola is. Coke is superior, Coke is the original, and just in case anyone is confused he's going to restate the Supremacy of Coke. I just don't see anything shocking in that.

The RCC's opinion has always been that it is the only genuine article. I find it more than a bit disingenuous for representatives of the Church to go around playing nice and fluffy when actual Church doctrine contradicts what they are saying. That's a classic bait and switch. I appreciate the straight, unvarnished truth.

Chris

[Tao_Equus]

fair comment Chris but we aint exactly talking what to dilute our whisky with.

[China Cat Sunflower]

No, we're talking about an old fart who lives in a castle and refuses to wear trousers!

Chris

[Tao_Equus]

You said it not me!!

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Maybe I'm just dumb, but I read the Dominus Iesus and I don't see the big deal. Imagine that the Pope is the CEO of Coca Cola. Basically he's saying that while Dr. Pepper, RC (ha! RC), and Pepsi are indeed cola drinks, they are in no wise THE cola that Coca Cola is. Coke is superior, Coke is the original, and just in case anyone is confused he's going to restate the Supremacy of Coke. I just don't see anything shocking in that.

The RCC's opinion has always been that it is the only genuine article. I find it more than a bit disingenuous for representatives of the Church to go around playing nice and fluffy when actual Church doctrine contradicts what they are saying. That's a classic bait and switch. I appreciate the straight, unvarnished truth.

Chris

Eh, Doctor Pepper is a product of the Coca Cola Bottling company...

Coke came on scene before Pepsi. So, in effect, Coke is the real thing, and all others are knock offs...however Pepsi, had the honesty to warn Coke that someone was trying to sell their secrets...hence Pepsi won it's own right as an upstanding company...

Kinda like the Roman church and protestant church...don't you think?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Thank you Q!! It is wonderful to have you back

My opinion is that Pope Benedict does indeed deserve to be insulted, ridiculed and, most especially, exposed for the moral bankrupt that he is. As I write my Catholic girlfriend is at Mass. She is Polish and a devout catholic. At the beginning of our relationship my status as an unbaptised heathen was a real problem for her. In fact we would not be together now if the priest from whom she sought permission had not given his blessing. And this is the issue. The authority the Pope and Priests has over the minds and freedom of so many Catholics. Given the extremely shady history of the Catholic church and its ordained representatives every man as a man has the right to question its moral authority to say anything. Cathoilic way of life touches me personaly and I have every right to comment on it. I have seen first hand the cruelty and abuse meted out by Catholic Nuns at Nazereth House here in Edinburgh when I was at school. These "good sisters" routinely tortured innocent orphan children reducing several to nervous wrecks that have to live a lifetime of scarring from this abuse. So do not tell me I dont know my back-side from a hole in the ground. My back-side knows perfectly well its function in regard to the hole in the ground of Catholic moral authority.

The Pope led a group to hide child sex abuse within the church from the wider public. This, and this alone qualifies him as a criminal guilty of the obstruction of investigation and withholding evidence. I do not insult. I speak cold hard truths. The current Pope, as they invariably are, is a political appointee from within. He was not chosen because he is a "good man".

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle15190.htm

Regards

Tao

Doesn't bother me Tao. The Pope lead no one to do anything. Bishops did, kinda like execs trying to hide bad investments from the CEO...can't charge the CEO for what he/she doesn't know...

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Doesn't bother me Tao. The Pope lead no one to do anything. Bishops did, kinda like execs trying to hide bad investments from the CEO...can't charge the CEO for what he/she doesn't know...

I'm talking about what the Pope did when he was still a cardinal. Leopards, as a rule, do not change their spots.

Tao

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Eh, Doctor Pepper is a product of the Coca Cola Bottling company...

Coke came on scene before Pepsi. So, in effect, Coke is the real thing, and all others are knock offs...however Pepsi, had the honesty to warn Coke that someone was trying to sell their secrets...hence Pepsi won it's own right as an upstanding company...

Kinda like the Roman church and protestant church...don't you think?

Yeah!

Let me jump over...here, and I'll try to see it from the Catholic perspective: I think what's being said is that the Catholic Church has an historic evangelical commission to unify the body of Christ under it's auspices. Where the Church fails in this mission the Body is diluted and the mission fails. The Dominus Iesus document calls upon all Catholics to remember this essential commission in respect to inter, and intra-faith dialog.

Chris

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I'm talking about what the Pope did when he was still a cardinal. Leopards, as a rule, do not change their spots.

Tao

sure they do! then they are called "cougars"...and he was a cardinal of the court, not a bishop in the states where all this crap is happening. I could go into alot of politics on this one, but it would fall on mostly deaf ears (not yours).

Liberalism 60s and 70s style, to say the least, can screw up even a catholic seminary...

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Yeah!

Let me jump over...here, and I'll try to see it from the Catholic perspective: I think what's being said is that the Catholic Church has an historic evangelical commission to unify the body of Christ under it's auspices. Where the Church fails in this mission the Body is diluted and the mission fails. The Dominus Iesus document calls upon all Catholics to remember this essential commission in respect to inter, and intra-faith dialog.

Chris

...and...the protestant church helps re-inforce that, without "dogging" the original church. Hence the two "churches" support each other. i think that would be akin to the seven churches crutching each other, in the original days...what think you?

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Q