Proof of intelligent design! - Page 2

citizenzen · 12-19-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick_A

Maybe for you. Perhaps it requires asking the right questions.

Perhaps it requires a shred of evidence!

Faithfulservant · 12-19-2008, 10:05 PM

it takes faith to believe in macro evolution since there is no hard scientific evidence to prove it. yet people believe in it.

citizenzen · 12-19-2008, 10:17 PM

Here's another way to look at this. I know IDers think that the scientific community is out to get them and ignores all of their "evidence".

But scientists aren't immune to seeking publicity and fame. Whoever proved the validity of ID would have their name placed in the pantheon of great scientists: Newton, Einstein, and that ID guy (or gal).

There's no shortage of scientists willing to give up their first-born for that kind of acclaim.

Nick_A · 12-19-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by citizenzen

Here's another way to look at this. I know IDers think that the scientific community is out to get them and ignores all of their "evidence".

But scientists aren't immune to seeking publicity and fame. Whoever proved the validity of ID would have their name placed in the pantheon of great scientists: Newton, Einstein, and that ID guy (or gal).

There's no shortage of scientists willing to give up their first-born for that kind of acclaim.

Consider these three quotations from Einstein:

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Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.

He is intelligent enough to know how infantile his intelligence is in comparison to higher intelligence. You cannot see that you are trying to judge the essence of ID from an earthly mind in Plato's cave that lacks intelligence. How can we lacking intelligence grasp the depth of objective intelligent design? But that doesn't inhibit the dominance of our conceit. It is more fun to deny rather then consider how to become more intelligent.

citizenzen · 12-19-2008, 11:19 PM

Say, aren't you the guy who quoted that "to everything there is a season" stuff?

There is a time for religion. There is a time for science.

If you want to believe that monkeys flew out of Gods behind, I have absolutely no problem with that.

When you try to teach it in schools... secular, state funded schools, that's where I draw the line. Then my perspective starts to narrow and demand that darned thing known as proof. I know, I'm kind of limited that way.

I wonder how far a ID rocket would fly? How well an ID nuclear reactor would run? Sometimes a focused perspective is a good thing.

Nick_A · 12-20-2008, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by citizenzen

Say, aren't you the guy who quoted that "to everything there is a season" stuff?

There is a time for religion. There is a time for science.

If you want to believe that monkeys flew out of Gods behind, I have absolutely no problem with that.

When you try to teach it in schools... secular, state funded schools, that's where I draw the line. Then my perspective starts to narrow and demand that darned thing known as proof. I know, I'm kind of limited that way.

I wonder how far a ID rocket would fly? How well an ID nuclear reactor would run? Sometimes a focused perspective is a good thing.

The unfortunate gradual take over of education by secularism will spiritually kill many of the young. This is why it is imperative to create more access to private education so that the fortunate young can begin to acquire the perspective to see that religion and science are complimentary and that the essence of religion has the ability to put science into a higher more human perspective..

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I wonder how far a ID rocket would fly? How well an ID nuclear reactor would run? Sometimes a focused perspective is a good thing.

An ID rocket wouldn't find it necessary to land on someone's head and an ID perspective would assure that a nuclear reactor would not have to blow anyone up.

Yes the value of a focused perspective is determined not only by the mechanics of phenomena but also its connection to our objective inner morality or "conscience." not necessarily connected to the dictates of external morality

citizenzen · 12-20-2008, 02:01 AM

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...the fortunate young can begin to acquire the perspective to see that religion and science are complimentary...

So you'd support secularists coming into churches to discuss the theory of evolution?

After all, if broadening one's perspective is the goal, you couldn't possibly be against it.

Nick_A · 12-20-2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by citizenzen

So you'd support secularists coming into churches to discuss the theory of evolution?

After all, if broadening one's perspective is the goal, you couldn't possibly be against it.

Why shouldn't there be church discussions on evolution? The advantage is that within such church groups involution could be included which could put evolution into a reasonable perspective.

citizenzen · 12-20-2008, 04:03 AM

Good for you Nick! You're a broad-minded person after all!

Please give me the address and pastor of your church and I'll arrange this immediately.

Quahom1 · 12-20-2008, 04:53 AM

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Why shouldn't there be church discussions on evolution? The advantage is that within such church groups involution could be included which could put evolution into a reasonable perspective.

Lol, there is Nick. It's called the Roman Catholic Church...

Paladin · 12-20-2008, 05:27 AM

Yes, and as I recall the concept of involution is a cornerstone of the new thought movement.

Wil, does UU teach this?

Nick_A · 12-20-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by citizenzen

Good for you Nick! You're a broad-minded person after all!

Please give me the address and pastor of your church and I'll arrange this immediately.

Esoteric Christianity doesn't have an official church in the external sense as a show piece since it deals with the inner man rather than an image but discussions go on all the time about ideas rarely discussed including human psychology or the nature of human "being." I appreciate your concern but it is unnecessary.

citizenzen · 12-20-2008, 04:53 PM

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Esoteric Christianity doesn't have an official church in the external sense...

What? You mean you don't have to miss football games on Sunday?

Dude! You've struck gold!

Nick_A · 12-20-2008, 05:19 PM

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What? You mean you don't have to miss football games on Sunday?

Dude! You've struck gold!

It just means that one strives not to be attached to football games on Sunday so that human choice becomes consciously possible.

citizenzen · 12-20-2008, 05:47 PM

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It just means that one strives not to be attached to football games on Sunday so that human choice becomes consciously possible.

Nick, you have got to be the most seriously ernest person I've met in a forum.

I'll stop yankin' your chain... at least for now.

Peace.