protestant vs catholic? - Page 2

Zaakir · 07-11-2006, 05:00 PM

aburaees the Quran says that Allah will protect the Quran from corruption...if your muslim you beleive this?can i see the hadith please

aburaees · 07-11-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaakir

aburaees the Quran says that Allah will protect the Quran from corruption...if your muslim you beleive this?can i see the hadith please

I'm saying there's a hard-copy of the Qur'an in heaven, which is different to what we have on Earth. I'll give you one example from Sahih Muslim;

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Muslim Book 008, Number 3421
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims).

My personal take is that this is 'editing' and not necessarily 'corruption'.

If you want to discuss this further you can 'pm' me, I don't want to hijack this thread, although you are the thread originator. I'm also reluctant to put this on the Islam board as it can be taken the wrong way.

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juantoo3 · 07-11-2006, 06:09 PM

Perhaps in the Abrahamic board then? as I find this interesting.

Zaakir · 07-13-2006, 07:32 AM

you can call it editing, but as you are muslim, you beleive that the Quran is the word of Allah (s.w.t)? well...the ahadith you gave me i have raed, i havent researched into it, nut ata a first thought i would say, hadith we know are written by people and some of them say different things, Allah (s.w.t) may have wanted to change this part of the Quran just as He revealed different parts at different times,,,but the right times. and it has to be noted taht this was done before the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) died

enton · 07-13-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaakir

i wondered what differences are...just as there is a sunni vs shia question is the islam forum...is there differences in their bibles...

In their words of acceptance alone, they differ. Members of the Roman Catholic church gladly declare of their being "catholics", while members of the Protestant church gladly declare of their being "protestants".

And is this will always be the case, perhaps I am just correct if I say they are not christians. If they are, why then they prefer to call themselves "Roman Catholic Church, Protestant Church"? And they should be one, if they are christians.

Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
1 Corinthians 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

BUT WE CANNOT READ bodies to mean different churches.

So, the church is just one, though we can read these:

Romans 1:13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Galatians 1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

Ephesians 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Philippians 1:12 But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel;

Colossians 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

With I Thessalonians 1:1 alone as basis of the existence of the church which we can read in Matthew 16:18 , we can realize that God owns the church through Christ Jesus.

So, whenever, one desires to be a part of the church of the Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and Thessalonians among others, he must first see to it that really in wholeness of the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, the church which he should cleave into is the ground and pillar of the truth, the word of truth (the Gospel of salvation).

Actually there arose many "churches" so-called because of this reason:

Philippians 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:

And you know what shall happen to some who preach of good will;

Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

They will cleave to that which is good. And what is good?

Psalms 133:1 [[A Song of degrees of David.]] Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

See! brethren, church, one body, one God the Father, one Lord Jesus Christ, one Spirit, one mind, one mouth. (Ephesians 4:4, I Corinthians 6:17 Romans 15:6, I Corinthians 8:6)

But one thing to be sure!

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. I John 4:1

So, thee are spirits claiming to be of God, but many of them are not, so try and don't believe instantly because there are spirits carrying:

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

For what reason(s) they (false churches) teach doctrines the commandments of men?

1. Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

2. 1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

BACK TO one mouth above, I am interested to open this to you folks!

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Whose mouth could that be where wisdom is?

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wil · 07-13-2006, 02:01 PM

I was driving my son to Boy Scout Camp, he was off to a religious retreat for the weekend. While Boy Scouts prides itself in accepting all religions, this camp only had activities for Protestants and Catholics. Even that was generous, as it was at a retreat center sponsored by the Arch Diocese. So on the ride, "What is the difference between Catholics and Protestants", he asked. I responded, "Do you want the long answer or the short one?", "The short one." I told him, "Catholic is latin for universal, and the powers of the time decided to form one church and called it the Universal Church, later on, some disagreed that there was only one way and protested, and formed other churches, they are the Protest-ant Churches."

The truth of the matter is that I find many Catholics that are quite mystical in their belief systems, and much more liberal than the furher fundamental Protestants... the lines definitely blur.

aburaees · 07-13-2006, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaakir

you can call it editing, but as you are muslim, you beleive that the Quran is the word of Allah (s.w.t)? well...the ahadith you gave me i have raed, i havent researched into it, nut ata a first thought i would say, hadith we know are written by people and some of them say different things, Allah (s.w.t) may have wanted to change this part of the Quran just as He revealed different parts at different times,,,but the right times. and it has to be noted taht this was done before the prophet Muhammad (s.a.w) died

You'e welcome to continue this here:

http://www.comparative-religion.com/...blem-5416.html

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