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Prober · 02-09-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

I wonder if you do see where I'm going with this? Yeah, unbelief is a sin. In my mind, its probably one of the worst? The athesit says there is no God and is a fool, says the psalmsist. I, a Christian, say that there is a God and doubt Him sometimes. What kind of an idiot am I? God knows, I hate when I doubt Him! All that said, I agree with you that someone has to believe before they can be saved. So lets work this out. Why dont some people take the free gift?

(IMO) Because they don't want to make a decision and have to be responsible for making changes in their lives.

Silas · 02-09-2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Prober

(IMO) Because they don't want to make a decision and have to be responsible for making changes in their lives.

They do this knowing the consequence that they'll be facing?

Prober · 02-10-2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Silas

They do this knowing the consequence that they'll be facing?

I think they choose to ignore the consequences or pretend that they don't exist.

"There is a way that seemeth right in a man's eyes, but the end thereof is death."

Zagreus · 02-10-2007, 08:45 AM

The short answer to the question:

... certainly not vicarious atonement - for there is no such thing, under the Law.

mee · 02-10-2007, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Silas

What does Christ' sacrifical death accomplish?

"God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life."—JOHN 3:16.
because of the ransom, we have hope
Christ’s ransom opens the way for the fulfillment of God’s purpose—that obedient humans live forever in Paradise on earth. (Psalm 37:29)

Francis king · 02-11-2007, 11:09 AM

there's no such thing as a free lunch....

Dondi · 02-12-2007, 01:15 PM

The unbelieving are just one of many types of sinners who will experience the second death:

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

How many of us can put ourselves in one or more of these catagories?

But let's expand on the concept of unbelief. What constitutes unbelief in this context? Is it willful disobedience to the truth? Untrust in God? Unbelief in the existence in God? Indifference to the truth? Ignorance of the truth? Unbelief in a particular doctrine or religious viewpoint? Unbelief on a particular religion?

Go further. What does it mean to be fearful? Fearful of God? Fearful in trusting God? Fear of ourselves? Fear of others? Fear of judgement? Fear of heights, closed spaces, the number 13? What kind of fear will send us to the second death?

Paladin · 02-12-2007, 01:50 PM

The answer to these questions, including the OP would of necessity be context dependant. If, as Christians we look to challenge our understanding then we need to look outside the parentheses. Francis King gives us the hint with Heinlein's coined phrase.
Otherwise then let us only ask rhetorical questions to help us congratulate ourselves on our cleverness and exclusive privilege.

Peace
Mark

InLove · 02-12-2007, 06:38 PM

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The answer to these questions, including the OP would of necessity be context dependant. If, as Christians we look to challenge our understanding then we need to look outside the parentheses. Francis King gives us the hint with Heinlein's coined phrase.
Otherwise then let us only ask rhetorical questions to help us congratulate ourselves on our cleverness and exclusive privilege.

Peace
Mark

I have re-read this statement over and over, Mark. I just keep coming back to it. It is profound.

InPeace,
InLove,
Debora

Prober · 02-12-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by InLove

I have re-read this statement over and over, Mark. I just keep coming back to it. It is profound.

InPeace,
InLove,
Debora

I keep reading it, too. I really don't know what you both are saying. I guess I missed something.

Do you mean we should just have a simple faith and quit asking so many questions?

I could go for that...

Dondi · 02-12-2007, 08:33 PM

I'm all for looking outside the parentheses, as long as we stay on the same page!

What context do you wish to surround yourself with?

cyberpi · 02-12-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Silas

What does Christ' sacrifical death accomplish?

Soul to soul communication without any fuzzy logic interference.

wil · 02-13-2007, 12:09 AM

Overheard conversation today...

Christian- Well Muslims call Christians Infidels!!
Muslim- And Christians call Muslims damned.
Christian- Well you wouldn't be damned if you accepted Jesus as Saviour and son of God.
Muslim- and you wouldn't be infidel if you accepted Mohameds teachings...

Argument ensued....

Niether one of them got it.

Silas · 02-13-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by wil

Overheard conversation today...

Christian- Well Muslims call Christians Infidels!!
Muslim- And Christians call Muslims damned.
Christian- Well you wouldn't be damned if you accepted Jesus as Saviour and son of God.
Muslim- and you wouldn't be infidel if you accepted Mohameds teachings...

Argument ensued....

Niether one of them got it.

Christians (the Biblical ones) says that everyone not born again will be damn. That is a hard truth, but a truth nonetheless. Why will this occure? Because man's nature is bad and he needs to be born again. Unless he is born again, Jesus said, he cannot even see the kingdom of God.

Faithfulservant · 02-13-2007, 12:33 AM

Silas, I think Wil was on the verge of sharing some highly enlightened thought and was just waiting for you to trigger it by commenting... dont get him started please