Questions ?

[Mason]

Originally Posted by thipps

Regarding your specific question of looking at statues & the example of the woman as you described her, i asked a learned person and he said that if these have the ability to excite the desire of the person looking at them, then it becomes unlawful for that person to view them.
Hope its clear now.

Yes, crystal clear...

Ty ^_^

[Mason]

Whoever gives up something for the sake of Allaah, Allaah will compensate him with something better. We ask Allaah to make you strong and grant you a good life in this world and in the Hereafter

Oh, thats really very nice ^_^, thank you. But at the moment i'm considering heavily about stopping my studying of Islam. I feel like i've been battered and bruised at the moment, this decision to stop or carry on is really making me sick. It seems i look one way (away from Islam) and the grass looks greener & then someone goes and says something like you did above and its the opposite way round. I tried writing the good points and the bad in a comparative way but it seemed very even. I just don't know if i can cope, especially with my brother making fun of me about it, i really don't know how he thinks he knows.

I don't have a clue what your going to say after this reply,... but i just don't want to make the wrong decision and destroy my life in the process.

[Al-Murtad]

I have questions. I found this on another forum. I was wondering if any moslems was able to respond to any of the points raised by the author?
[Material deleted due to inappropriateness of text as well as mass copy-paste]

Thank you in advance.

Note from Admin: First of all, this is not the place for this type of thing... try posting it in the comparative religion section. Second, if you really had to do it, how about not this mass copy-paste cause you're literally hijacking the post which is not concerned with what you are asking. Should have made a new post if at all & change the language so that it is in an appropriate form; otherwise, it will go out the window as well. Third, your nick "The Apostate" is not helping you considering the material.
We encourage asking any question about any topic BUT there is a right way to ask the question and there is a wrong way. Choose the right way & inshallah we will do our best to answer.

[Friend]

Hi all,

This answer for all here , and not for the person above who came here for a certain reason .... many things he asked about here are explained in another threads , and some people whom want to do the forbidden things in Islam searched about any thing as arguments to be free to do what their self want them to do .some points mentioned above have certain story ...and some of them explained in another directions...in Arabic language their is some times meaning behind the words ( not the direct meaning ).

Islam permits Pedophilia - Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234/236

* Islam permits the rape of female captives - see next point

* Islam permits adultery with married female captives - Qur'an, Surah 4:24

First of All you take what you want out of context , When Islam came people at that time usually did that ...after Islam came the situation be different and Allah started to sent teachings to that people to change their habits :
see what Allah (SWT) said in the same Sura with it's context 4, 23,24,25):

23] Prohibited to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone, no prohibition if ye have not gone in; (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

24] Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: thus hath Allah ordained (prohibitions) against you: except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property, desiring chastity, not lust. Seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, ye agree mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-Knowing All-Wise.

25] If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: and Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: they should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Notes : This verse came to correct what some Muslims done without knowing the new command From Allah ...to explain for them that they must respect those women and treat them well .

they may wed believing girls : At that time they have slaves and Islam told them to deal with them as human ( Islam get red of this traditions step by step )

When I have a time I will be returned .

[PluckyAli]

I have questions. I found this on another forum. I was wondering if any moslems was able to respond to any of the points raised by the author?

Thank you in advance.

I have been a Muslim and this is why Islam is not acceptable to me...

* Islam permits Pedophilia - Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234/236

* Islam permits the rape of female captives - see next point

* Islam permits adultery with married female captives - Qur'an, Surah 4:24

(See what the Bible says about this in Exodus 20:14; Leviticus 20:10)

* Islam permits lying to spread the religion - Bukhari Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857

* Islam permits lying to your wife - Muslim Book 032, Number 6303

(See what the Bible says about lying in John 8:44)

* Islam recommends the beating of women - Qur'an, Surah 4:34

* Islam encourages anti-semitism - Obvious to anyone who studies Islam.

* Islam encourages superstition - Bukhari Volume 7, Book 71, Number 649

(See what the Bible says about Omens in Deuteronomy 18:10)

* Islam commands the murder of apostates - Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 260; Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 630; Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 632; Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 577; Bukhari Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17; Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57; Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58; Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 64; Bukhari Volume 9, Book 89, Number 271.

* Muhammads Qur'an was corrected by a blind man - Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 512

* Islam teaches that God is a god of deception - Qur'an, Surah 4:157

* Muhammad desired the wife of his fellowman - Qur'an, Surah 33:37

(See what the Bible says about this in Exodus 20:17)


I have quoted parts of the Bible in this post, so if you reject these Biblical verses on the opinion that the Bible has been changed, I suggest you look up the following authentic Hadiths that confirm that the Qur'an has been changed;

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 57
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 69
Bukhari Volume 5, Book 57, Number 85
Bukhari Volume 5, Book 57, Number 105
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 8
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 53
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 60
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 68
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 69
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 468
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 500
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 501
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 512
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 514
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 518
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 521
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 524
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816
Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Number 817
Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 424

Muslim Book 001, Number 0228
Muslim Book 005, Number 2282
Muslim Book 005, Number 2283
Muslim Book 005, Number 2284
Muslim Book 005, Number 2285
Muslim Book 005, Number 2286
Muslim Book 008, Number 3421
Muslim Book 008, Number 3422
Muslim Book 017, Number 4194

Hope this clears things up a bit, non-muslims fear these things much more than they would ever fear things like prayer, fasting, circumcision (which isn't compulsory for converts), culture change, family pressure (many of us already live with this), etc.

To read the Bukhari Hadiths for yourself; http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundame...sunnah/bukhari/
To read the Muslim Hadiths for yourself; http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundame...hsunnah/muslim/

First ever post and full of nuisance.Where did you get this material from?

In this age people try to fool anyone whom they think is naive.Those who try to fool others are infact fooling themselves.However,they can easily be caught because of their very low iq.On the other hand there are people's who have no idea what they are talking about.They live in a state of unconsciousness.They have a blind belief on their relatives.They can't think from themselves,their mind is degenereted.They believe in everything what is told to them.
ok now back to point.

The author of this article is the best example of degenerated low iq mind.

I will not discuss hadith,since Hadith is not a literal word of God and i am not a scholar.

Islam permits the rape of female captives
Islam permits adultery with married female captives - Qur'an, Surah 4:24

Here is 4:24

Also women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek with gifts from your property- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers as prescribed but if after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually, there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Now should I bother to explain it?.yes i should.

To understand this verse let's see verse 4:22 and 4:23

22. And marry not women whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; indeed it was shameful and most hateful, and an evil way.

Gives us an idea God is talking about marriage.

23.Prohibited to you are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters,brother's daughters, sister's daughters,foster-mothers, foster-sisters,your wives mothers,your step-daughters under your guardianship,born of your wives to whom ye have gone in - no prohibition if ye have not gone in,wives of your sons proceeding from your loins,and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

Gives an idea with whom we can't marry.And finally 4:24

Also women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek with gifts from your property- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers as prescribed but if after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually, there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Here God says except those women discussed above,all other are permissible for married.

Now show me the word female captives in 4:24.
Now show me where does islam permits adultery with married female captives?.

I have been a Muslim and this is why Islam is not acceptable to me...

Am i supposed to laugh or cry now?.Why some people pretend to be muslim,I don't know.The person who doesnot know there is no word or nothing literally bout female captives in 4:24 can't be a muslim.Yet he wrote the whole article on his false belief.This show nothing then he is just a big hypocrite who is being paid.

Islam permits lying to spread the religion - Bukhari Volume 3, Book 49, Number 857

That's a lauging stuff.It was typical example of how people try to fool others.Let's see quotation of usc.edu recommended by the author.huh

Narrated Um Kulthum bint Uqba:

That she heard Allah's Apostle saying, "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamen...i/049.sbt.html

Where the heck it says you can lie to spread religion?

The rest is all a crap like this.I don't have a time to waste by replying to funny senseless misquotation.If you have got the wrong translation it's your problem not mine.The correct quranic tranlsation are widely availabe from the internet.
In logic if one thing is proven wrong,you don't need to check other things.The people like you should be banned.

Attention Islam Haters:Get an IQ.

[PluckyAli]

Dear Friend,There is no need to reply people like this.It's a waste of time.First they should prove their first claim,which we have refuted.If they can't there is no need to go for another claims.Throwing sh-it like bullets from gun is absurdity and that's what the author and his client did.

[thipps]

Removed the post of Al-murtad. These types of posts dont deserve answers... my request to our brothers and sisters is to simply ignore them but if you feel that you must, then i cant stop you. I'll deal with these whenever i get the chance. I could not logon yesterday or this morning...circumstances did not permit me. My oppologies still.

[thipps]

Originally Posted by Mason

Oh, thats really very nice ^_^, thank you. But at the moment i'm considering heavily about stopping my studying of Islam. I feel like i've been battered and bruised at the moment, this decision to stop or carry on is really making me sick. It seems i look one way (away from Islam) and the grass looks greener & then someone goes and says something like you did above and its the opposite way round. I tried writing the good points and the bad in a comparative way but it seemed very even. I just don't know if i can cope, especially with my brother making fun of me about it, i really don't know how he thinks he knows.

I don't have a clue what your going to say after this reply,... but i just don't want to make the wrong decision and destroy my life in the process.

I dont know exactly what you are going through as i was born Muslim. If there is a convert here, i request him/her to comment.
Anyway, i'll say a few things from what i can guess what you might be going through. Sorry if i get it wrong.

It seems i look one way (away from Islam) and the grass looks greener & then someone goes and says something like you did above and its the opposite way round.

It is no doubt a difficult and often scary decision. This is what reverts[1] have told me. One thing I would say is that Islam is about submission. This life is a test for the hereafter. This life is about obeying God, not about obeying our whims and desires. Dont worry too much about your brother... If you become muslim one day, maybe later he just might too through what good he sees of you. He will inshallah [God-willing] see the positive changes in you and hopefully it will have a good affect on him.

I just don't know if i can cope

yes, you will have to strive and you shall be tested as were nations before us. Put your trust in Allah. Try your best. Remember that God is Most-Gracious, Most-Merciful and Oft-Forgiving.

I will say something now based on experience with reverts. It may not apply in your case as you have not said anything to indicate this. Still, i will say it but if my assumption is wrong, ignore what i say in this regard. It is often a point with those who accept Islam before they accept it. Maybe you have done alot of bad things, God knows we all have.I am pointing this material out for you in an effort to encourage you.
Say: “O ‘Ibaadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allaah, verily, Allaah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful. [Qur'an, 39:53]
‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas was a mushrik (polytheist, idol-worshipper), a sinner and an enemy of Allaah. He said: “When Allaah put the love of Islam into my heart, I came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to pledge my allegiance to him. He stretched out his hand towards me, but I said, ‘I will not pledge allegiance to you, O Messenger of Allaah, until you forgive me my previous sins.’ The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to me, ‘O ‘Amr, do you not know that Islam wipes out whatever sins came before it.’” (Narrated by Imaam Ahmad).

Hope this helped. And with Allaah lies all guidance.
[1] Muslim convert

[Mason]

Hello thipps, thanks for your reply ^_^

I think the main reason (putting the criticism aside) for my indecisiveness about following Islam is that i don't know if i can live that life. As i said, sometimes i feel that i want to, mostly because i'm attracted to the culture and sometimes i don't, because i think to myself i could have a better life following a different religion. I once said earlier in this thread (i can't remember the post number) that i wasn't choosing between two or more religions, and at the time i wasn't, i'm not really now... I've just started to consider looking at others, as it seems without religion in my life i feel very empty & worthless, etc.

My sins (i don't think i have too many) are not the reason i feel i may not be-able to follow Islam. Maybe its things like when i didn't understand 'fear Allah' for instance, making me believe i can't understand it like i should,... I'm not sure.

^_^

[thipps]

h| Mason,

Your statement "i could have a better life following a different religion" can be a point of long discussion as to what constitutes a 'better life'... depends on one's point of view but, at this point, I get the feeling you might not be in the mood. Let me know if you are.
Anyway, as far as accepting Islam is concerned... some may require many years or only need minutes. We must respect people's doubts.

And with Allaah lies all guidance.

[Mason]

I have a question about converting,.... is there some form of ceremony or special service to mark the day you become officially muslim?

I could look this up but its better to ask, i think ^_^

[Mason]

Thipps,... It seems i overlooked post #72 before, and i am in the middle of reading it now. It applies to animals as well as humans?... all living things?

I hope me asking about that topic again doesn't annoy you any. ^_^

[thipps]

Originally Posted by Mason

Thipps,... It seems i overlooked post #72 before, and i am in the middle of reading it now. It applies to animals as well as humans?... all living things?

I hope me asking about that topic again doesn't annoy you any. ^_^

Hi Mason,
Yes, it applies equally to both animals and humans.
Furthermore, the majority of scholars say that it is permissible to make pictures of inanimate objects such as trees, buildings, etc, and they quote several texts as evidence for that, including the following:

The report narrated by al-Bukhaari (5963) and Muslim (2110) from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘Whoever makes an image in this world will be told to breathe life into it in the Day of Resurrection, and he will not be able to do so.’” The prohibition mentioned in this hadeeth has to do with animate objects. What confirms this interpretation is that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), who was the narrator of this hadeeth, issued a fatwa[religious ruling] permitting the drawing of trees and inanimate objects, as was narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari (2225) and Saheeh Muslim (2110) from Sa’eed ibn Abi’l-Hasan, who said: “I was with Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) when a man came to him and said, ‘O Ibn ‘Abbaas, I am a man who earns a living by the work of my hands, and I make these pictures (or images).’ Ibn ‘Abbaas said: ‘I will only tell you what I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, and I heard him say, “Whoever makes an image in this world will be punished until he breathes life into it, and he will never be able to do so.’’ The man became very upset and his face turned pale. He – meaning Ibn ‘Abbaas – said, ‘Woe to you! If you insist on making them (images), then you can make images of these trees and everything that does not have a soul.’”
Hope this clears it up.
And Allaah knows best.

[thipps]

Originally Posted by Mason

I have a question about converting,.... is there some form of ceremony or special service to mark the day you become officially muslim?

I could look this up but its better to ask, i think ^_^

h| mason,
The procedure for embracing the religion of Islam is a simple process, without complication or prolongment. This is because it is something between a person and his Lord and there are no other parties involved. All that is required of a person in order to embrace Islam is that he or she pronounce the two testaments of belief in the Islamic creed, believing in their meaning; then to take a complete bath with the intention of (ritual) purification in order to start performing prayers (note to ensure complete cleanliness one should shave pubic and under-arm hair -- Islam places great emphasis on proper hygiene and personal cleanliness).
As for the two testimonies of creed, the first is "ash-hadu an laa ilaaha illa allah" (I testify that there is no deity other than Allah), which means that one believes and confirms that there is nothing to be worshipped other than Allah and that one is prepared to implement His divine rulings and guidlines (shari'a) for all aspects of life. The second is "ash-hadu anna muhammad ar-rasool ullah" which means the belief that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the seal of the prophets (i.e. the final one), whom Allah has sent with the Islamic religion to supercede all other previous religions and that it is obligatory to comply with what he has enjoined, and to abstain and renounce all that he has prohibited and restrained.
We pray for you to be bestowed with grace, and may Allah guide you to success in what is the most true and right.
Waiting for glad tidings in the near future, may Allah guard and protect you
and Allah knows best.

[Mason]

^_^ Hello,... Recently i have began thinking about Islam again and I have another question to ask, if thats ok...

I realised i don't know if there is a belief of 'hell' in Islam, is there? I just can't remember whether there is or not.

Thanks
Mason