Questions about Islam - Page 2

I, Brian · 03-12-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by thipps

Actually there isnt really. I think ive said it before that the Sunnah explains the Qur'an. You can't do without it. btw, having knowledge of the arabic language wont negate its necessity either.

That's interesting actually - I was under the impression that the Qur'an was essentially the word of God and that if anything appears to be at odds with what the Qur'an says, then it's the Qur'an that is always the authority?

I guess it sounds a it like the Jewish Torah and Oral law - the written scriptures, and the commentary to understand them better.

mansio · 03-12-2006, 10:22 AM

Thipps

I did not say not to use the Hadith, I just challenged Pharma to discuss Islam without resorting to the Hadith.

thipps · 03-13-2006, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mansio

Thipps

I did not say not to use the Hadith, I just challenged Pharma to discuss Islam without resorting to the Hadith.

i wasnt aware that you came here to play games. and if you were serious, then both of you are wasting your time. There is no point in that. I think not too long ago a guy came around who was in teh mood for just that in the Islam channel. I think it was amply clear that he had nothing to stand on.

ThePennyDrops · 03-13-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico

Well, if I'm going to belive that Islam is superior to Christianity, I would need to compare them in order to be sure.

Why do you have to believe that one religion has to be superior to another?

aburaees · 03-13-2006, 06:26 PM

I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding here.
What Mansio is trying to say is that we would have a hard time trying to discuss Islam without referring to Hadiths (Sahih).
We would have a hard time trying to discuss Islam if we only referred to the Qur'an.
Sahih Hadith and Qur'an have an equal contribution to our understanding of Islam, can't have one without the other.

aburaees · 03-13-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by I, Brian

As for the illiteracy of Mohammed - this is indeed the accepted history. If anyone's going to argue that Mohammed wrote the Qur'an with his own hand, I want to see sources.
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I've heard that the Arabic word often translated as "Illiterate" could also be translated as "gentile"....
Thus making Muhammad the "gentile" prophet, not the "illiterate" prophet.

mansio · 03-13-2006, 07:42 PM

Thanks a lot Aburaees.

You explained perfectly my position.

thipps · 03-14-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mansio

Thanks a lot Aburaees.

You explained perfectly my position.

then i appologize. I obviously misread. Thought you were saying something else.

Pico · 03-15-2006, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePennyDrops

Why do you have to believe that one religion has to be superior to another?

They can't all be right. One has to be better than the rest.

didymus · 03-16-2006, 12:25 AM

Pico, your last statement is precisely why humanity is in the predicament it is in. One does not have to be better or superior. Why can't you learn about a religion and take what you like and use it. If something doesn't sit well with you then leave it. Nobody has it all right. Do you honestly believe that any religion is infallable? All religions are peoples interpretations and understanding of the soul and God over the last 8,000 years. Everyone is just doing the best they can and trying to make sense of it all. Religion is mankinds last great obstacle. Once overcome we will truly be able to listen to each other and understand where the other is coming from. When you free yourself from religion you are free indeed. You are such a slave that you can't entertain a different idea for fear you will be punished.

ThePennyDrops · 03-16-2006, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico

They can't all be right. One has to be better than the rest.

RUBBISH! Only people who regard religion from an entirely institutional view can believe that. There are many different ways to reach God, people must follow whichever is right for them. This is the problem that I have with Islam and Christianity, they state quite clearly that the only way to God and Heaven is through them, which is quite clearly a man-made concept. Each individual must find their own path, whichever path they choose is God-inspired and should not be dismissed by any person who truly believes.
If God wanted us to all be the same religion, wouldn't we all be the same religion?

Pico · 03-16-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by didymus

Pico, your last statement is precisely why humanity is in the predicament it is in. One does not have to be better or superior. Why can't you learn about a religion and take what you like and use it. If something doesn't sit well with you then leave it. Nobody has it all right. Do you honestly believe that any religion is infallable? All religions are peoples interpretations and understanding of the soul and God over the last 8,000 years. Everyone is just doing the best they can and trying to make sense of it all. Religion is mankinds last great obstacle. Once overcome we will truly be able to listen to each other and understand where the other is coming from. When you free yourself from religion you are free indeed. You are such a slave that you can't entertain a different idea for fear you will be punished.

You talk such, but you don't know me. I have learned about many religions with an open mind, but the only one that fully satisfies me is Christianity. I have asked God for the wisdom to understand His way, and Christianity makes far too much sence about everything in the world to be false. Of all the religions I have learnd about none can stand up to Jesus Christ. Bar none.

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RUBBISH! Only people who regard religion from an entirely institutional view can believe that. There are many different ways to reach God, people must follow whichever is right for them. This is the problem that I have with Islam and Christianity, they state quite clearly that the only way to God and Heaven is through them, which is quite clearly a man-made concept. Each individual must find their own path, whichever path they choose is God-inspired and should not be dismissed by any person who truly believes.
If God wanted us to all be the same religion, wouldn't we all be the same religion?

You forget that God gave us free will: the choice to choose whichever religion we want. I see where you are comming from in your post, but I trust the word of God more so than that of mere human phiolosophy. Sorry.

I, Brian · 03-16-2006, 04:10 PM

Okay, let's remember this is a thread for questions about Islam - if you'd like to discuss religion in general, please move it to a general discussion thread.

ThePennyDrops · 03-16-2006, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico

You forget that God gave us free will: the choice to choose whichever religion we want. I see where you are comming from in your post, but I trust the word of God more so than that of mere human phiolosophy. Sorry.

The word of God according to you comes from Christ. It's not the same for everybody, and you cannot KNOW for certain that you are correct. You can believe it, for sure, but it is not definite that your view is the only correct one. SORRY.

Pico · 03-16-2006, 06:07 PM

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The word of God according to you comes from Christ. It's not the same for everybody, and you cannot KNOW for certain that you are correct. You can believe it, for sure, but it is not definite that your view is the only correct one. SORRY.

As I had stated, of all the religions I've learned about Christianity is the only one that stands up: historicaly, literarily, scientificaly, and theologicaly it holds true about every aspect of life I witness today.

I brought up those questions about Islam because I was interested that maybe Islam would be an epiphany for me, but I have not found a valid, reasonable answer to the quesitons I have pondered, thus reinforcing my faith in the Bible, Christ, and his word. Everything I see and observe about the world goes back to the teaching of the Bible and Jesus. The more I seek, the more Christianity stands firm and above the rest. After all, God said: "Seek, and you will find."