Reconcling Christianity and Islam ? - Page 5

dailogue is the best · 08-27-2008, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GlorytoGod

Yes I have, I am an ex muslim.

An ex-Muslim, and you dont know how to reconcile Christianity and Islam.

???

Do you mean by your question that it is Christianity which doesnt accept Islam

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GlorytoGod · 08-27-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dailogue is the best

An ex-Muslim, and you dont know how to reconcile Christianity and Islam.

???

Do you mean by your question that it is Christianity which doesnt accept Islam

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its personal things, I have been struggling to have any regard for Mohamed, and I was wondering if it is possible as a christian, I dont think it is but I thought other people might have a different perspective, hence this thread.

wil · 08-27-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GlorytoGod

its personal things, I have been struggling to have any regard for Mohamed, and I was wondering if it is possible as a christian, I dont think it is but I thought other people might have a different perspective, hence this thread.

love one another...pretty straight forward...love your neighbor...fairly inclusive....love your enemy, leaves no one out.

If a Christian can't have regard for Muslims can they expect any different?

farhan · 08-27-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

love one another...pretty straight forward...love your neighbor...fairly inclusive....love your enemy, leaves no one out.

If a Christian can't have regard for Muslims can they expect any different?

Love your enemy leaves no one out, including Muslims. If a Christian cant have regard for Muslims, only because they dont love their enemy, what does this make of Christians?

Apart from that, "love your enemy" as a unchanging principle is nothing less than suicide. I dont think Jesus himself practiced it. He cursed people, he took up sword etc. I rather stick to more pragmatic Muhammadan teaching,"You have the right to be equal, but its better if you forgive".

seattlegal · 08-27-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by farhan

Love your enemy leaves no one out, including Muslims. If a Christian cant have regard for Muslims, only because they dont love their enemy, what does this make of Christians?

Apart from that, "love your enemy" as a unchanging principle is nothing less than suicide. I dont think Jesus himself practiced it. He cursed people, he took up sword etc. I rather stick to more pragmatic Muhammadan teaching,"You have the right to be equal, but its better if you forgive".

Where did Jesus take up a sword? He used a whip on the money-changers in the temple, and in Matthew 10 he said he didn't come to bring peace, but a sword (division in the parallel account in the Gospel of Luke.) I can't find an example in any of the Gospels where he took up a sword himself.

farhan · 08-27-2008, 02:25 PM

My mistake...he asked others (Luke 22:35-38)

17th Angel · 08-27-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by farhan

My mistake...he asked others (Luke 22:35-38)

Yes... Your mistake lol...

seattlegal · 08-27-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by farhan

My mistake...he asked others (Luke 22:35-38)

...and then, later on in Luke 22, when Peter used the sword to cut off the ear of the high priest's servant, Jesus said, "No more of this!" and healed the man's ear. What was the lesson do you think he was teaching here?

GlorytoGod · 08-27-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

love one another...pretty straight forward...love your neighbor...fairly inclusive....love your enemy, leaves no one out.

If a Christian can't have regard for Muslims can they expect any different?

you quote me, but your reply is not to my post

i have never said that I have no regard for muslims

I am married to one after all.

farhan · 08-27-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlegal

...and then, later on in Luke 22, when Peter used the sword to cut off the ear of the high priest's servant, Jesus said, "No more of this!" and healed the man's ear. What was the lesson do you think he was teaching here?

Just because you have a sword in your hand doesnt mean you can do whatever you like. But dont throw it away either. Follow the middle path.

17th Angel · 08-27-2008, 03:05 PM

For those whom live by the sword shall perish by the sword... Who said that?

seattlegal · 08-27-2008, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

For those whom live by the sword shall perish by the sword... Who said that?

That's what the parallel account at Matthew 26 reports Jesus as saying after Peter cut off the man's ear.

seattlegal · 08-27-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by farhan

Just because you have a sword in your hand doesnt mean you can do whatever you like. But dont throw it away either. Follow the middle path.

The sword cuts both ways. The best lesson we can learn from it is that of mercy.

17th Angel · 08-27-2008, 03:13 PM

I was hoping for Farhan to answer... but A* To SG for her egerness!!!

Indeed, JC said that... So even before we look at your(Farhan) Understanding of the Luke account... Does it seem logical that jesus is telling others to take up arms?...

Dogbrain · 08-27-2008, 03:20 PM

Let me see if I can get the gist of the "you'd better beome Muslim" argument here: The claim is that Islam gives you permission to kick ass in this world, therefore it is a better choice than Christianity specifically because it gives worldly advantages. Well, atheist materialism gives even more worldly advantages in terms of what is permitted. Therefore, by the same argument, atheist materialism would be a better choice than Islam.