Religion and Birth Control

[Thomas]

Here's a curio ...

One of the two Canon Lawyers I spoke about has a reputation that goes before him, on matters of Law and Doctrine, Fr G 'takes no prisoners... ' Our course tutor told us that if he doesn't really upset one person on the course, then we haven't been asking the right questions. Suffice to say, he'd be as popular round here as ... I dread to think ...

This is a man who taught himself French to do a Doctorate (so not conversational French), and then taught himself Italian cos the Vatican wants him in Rome to teach what he has learnt. Anyway ...

When in the UK he works in a parish in one of the depressed cities of the English Midlands, once an organ of that mighty industrial machine, now slipping slowly into poverty and decline. His parish is what is euphemistically called 'depressed', with rampant crime, drug abuse, poor housing, unemployment, low expectation ... etc.

So when people visit, Fr G says, 'come and have a walk round the parish with me.' Now this is a man who is an absolute martinet on matters of ecclesial legislation, and as said, 'brooks no crapulence' and 'takes no prisoners.' If you have a pop at the Church, he pops right back, and with no reserve and no niceties ... he's the kind of guy makes bishops break out in a sweat.

So, as two people have told me, as they walk round, gangs of frightening-looking kids on street corners smile and shout, "Yo Fr G!", the hookers cross the road to speak to him cos they know his eyesight's terrible (a Divine joke, surely, the man's mind is so sharp it makes a laser look wooly, and he's as blind his glasses are about an inch thick), in fact everyone wants to say hello ...

It's a funny old world, isn't it?

Thomas

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Here's a curio ...

One of the two Canon Lawyers I spoke about has a reputation that goes before him, on matters of Law and Doctrine, Fr G 'takes no prisoners... ' Our course tutor told us that if he doesn't really upset one person on the course, then we haven't been asking the right questions. Suffice to say, he'd be as popular round here as ... I dread to think ...

This is a man who taught himself French to do a Doctorate (so not conversational French), and then taught himself Italian cos the Vatican wants him in Rome to teach what he has learnt. Anyway ...

When in the UK he works in a parish in one of the depressed cities of the English Midlands, once an organ of that mighty industrial machine, now slipping slowly into poverty and decline. His parish is what is euphemistically called 'depressed', with rampant crime, drug abuse, poor housing, unemployment, low expectation ... etc.

So when people visit, Fr G says, 'come and have a walk round the parish with me.' Now this is a man who is an absolute martinet on matters of ecclesial legislation, and as said, 'brooks no crapulence' and 'takes no prisoners.' If you have a pop at the Church, he pops right back, and with no reserve and no niceties ... he's the kind of guy makes bishops break out in a sweat.

So, as two people have told me, as they walk round, gangs of frightening-looking kids on street corners smile and shout, "Yo Fr G!", the hookers cross the road to speak to him cos they know his eyesight's terrible (a Divine joke, surely, the man's mind is so sharp it makes a laser look wooly, and he's as blind his glasses are about an inch thick), in fact everyone wants to say hello ...

It's a funny old world, isn't it?

Thomas

Even the churches have Saints!!!

The Church is saying that sex is not the be-all and end-all of human nature and of human relations,

Unless you are a porn star this much is obvious to everyone. But when at last, ( which is when at last we have time and space to be together with our partner for some intamacy), we do have it then it should be fun!! Not just to fill the aisles with the next generation of donation givers.

[lunamoth]

Great post Thomas, but about this part:

Originally Posted by Thomas

There's the rub – Jesus' words are taken as absolute by the RC/EO denominations ... one can't negotiate with God, as it were ... (in fact one can, as the OT shows, and prayer helps!)

I don't see where "Thou shalt not use a condom" comes from Jesus' words.


And, for that matter, if avoiding conception by using a condom is not allowed, why is avoiding conception by using the rythym method allowed? One uses a physical barrier, the other uses a time barrier...why is one acceptable and the other not?

Anyway ... it's Trinity Essay weekend, the missus is away up to Yorkshire to see her brother, the girls are out playing in the street with cars, boys, dirty needles, whatever, so long as they're out from under my feet, and my feet are tucked under my desk, with books, coffee and biscuits aplenty!

Thomas

Have a good weekend.

luna

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

And, for that matter, if avoiding conception by using a condom is not allowed, why is avoiding conception by using the rythym method allowed? One uses a physical barrier, the other uses a time barrier...why is one acceptable and the other not?

Because one is natural, and the other isn't? It's a good question, as the intention in using the natural method is the same, the avoidance of conception ...

Thomas

[ardenz]

"go forth and multiply" (a quote from the Bible)

Every Sperm Is Sacred Lyrics, Artist: Monty Python
Album: The Meaning Of Life

DAD:
There are Jews in the world.
There are Buddhists.
There are Hindus and Mormons, and then
There are those that follow Mohammed, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Catholic the moment Dad came,

Because

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

GIRL:
Let the heathen spill theirs
On the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

MUM:
Hindu, Taoist, Mormon,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

MEN:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
WOMEN:
If a sperm is wasted,...
CHILDREN:
...God get quite irate.

PRIEST:
Every sperm is sacred.
BRIDE and GROOM:
Every sperm is good.
NANNIES:
Every sperm is needed...
CARDINALS:
...In your neighbourhood!

CHILDREN:
Every sperm is useful.
Every sperm is fine.
FUNERAL CORTEGE:
God needs everybody's.
MOURNER #1:
Mine!
MOURNER #2:
And mine!
CORPSE:
And mine!

NUN:
Let the Pagan spill theirs
O'er mountain, hill, and plain.
HOLY STATUES:
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

EVERYONE:
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
In your neighbourhood.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite iraaaaaate!

[Tao_Equus]

Lmao Ardenz,

I forgot just how good that movie is till you remind me

[ardenz]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Lmao Ardenz,

I forgot just how good that movie is till you remind me

can you believe ...that movie was BANNED in Ireland a the time of its first release.......I have never seen it ......though have seen clips and of course that lovely ditty.

must get it out on dvd

ardenz

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by ardenz

can you believe ...that movie was BANNED in Ireland a the time of its first release.......I have never seen it ......though have seen clips and of course that lovely ditty.

must get it out on dvd

ardenz

Yes you should definitely..... of the 'holy trinity' of Python movies, (others being Life of Brian...and Holy Grail), it is probably the deepest and darkest.
Just dont buy any 'wafer thin mints' when you go to watch it!!!

TE