Revelation, are you ready?

[lunamoth]

I find the longish posts about Revelation interesting, even if they are cut and paste. I would ask though that the posters give the name of their religion or faith so I know who's teachings it is that I am learning about.

peace,
lunamoth

added in edit: apparently I am missing something about this.

[Quahom1]

The problem with cut and pasting is:

it's not conducive to discussion - think of being at a party where one person talks without pause for about an hour and a half... what is being done here is the equivalent, and an obvious habit.

The most effective way to present points like this is to summarize the idea you're trying to get across. That way, people can get the gist of the idea, and discuss it, and if they want more in-depth info, they can ask for it.

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Would you two mind stopping the "Cut and Paste" already?

And this "my religion is better than your religion is growing very old". You don't see me telling you that your religion is all washed up and mine is the correct one...because I happen to have respect for you as individuals.

Oh, and I'm not part of Christendom. I am a Christian. I refuse to be lumped into your narrow minded perspective, as does the rest who post here. This is a discussion board, not a finger pointing, or condemnation game.

Quahom

i am only putting down what the bible says i didnt say you were part of christendom we as individuals are the only ones who can answer that, it is my belief that christendom as a whole is prophecied in the bible , i cannot change what the bible says. i am not interested in my religion is better than yours i am only interested in the truth ,the bible tells us that babylon the great willbe washed up do we ignore that and pretend it doesnt say that.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

i am only putting down what the bible says i didnt say you were part of christendom we as individuals are the only ones who can answer that, it is my belief that christendom as a whole is prophecied in the bible , i cannot change what the bible says. i am not interested in my religion is better than yours i am only interested in the truth ,the bible tells us that babylon the great willbe washed up do we ignore that and pretend it doesnt say that.

Babylon the great is described in such a way that it could also be Rome, New York City, The One World Governement (New World Order), or the New World Religion that is to be establised by the Anti-Christ (to be established is the key here).

Christians (or those who call themselves thus), make up perhaps 1/4th to 1/3rd of the population on Earth. Hardly a dominant religion numbers wise. And it is divided within itself on key issues. Hence most of Christianity does not follow the Vatican or the Papacy. Also, some believe the the Church of Rome will be destroyed or desicmated before the rise of the New World Religion (which will demand compulsory worship by all the people of Earth).

Those who do not receive the "mark" on their hand or head, will suffer greatly.

That is also what the Bible warns us about before the fall of Babylon the Great, and should be taken into consideration.

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[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

The problem with cut and pasting is:

it's not conducive to discussion - think of being at a party where one person talks without pause for about an hour and a half... what is being done here is the equivalent, and an obvious habit.

The most effective way to present points like this is to summarize the idea you're trying to get across. That way, people can get the gist of the idea, and discuss it, and if they want more in-depth info, they can ask for it.

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Yes, I agree. Some personal commentary makes the posts much more accessible and friendlier.

lunamoth

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Babylon the great is described in such a way that it could also be Rome, New York City, The One World Governement (New World Order), or the New World Religion that is to be establised by the Anti-Christ (to be established is the key here).

Christians (or those who call themselves thus), make up perhaps 1/4th to 1/3rd of the population on Earth. Hardly a dominant religion numbers wise. And it is divided within itself on key issues. Hence most of Christianity does not follow the Vatican or the Papacy. Also, some believe the the Church of Rome will be destroyed or desicmated before the rise of the New World Religion (which will demand compulsory worship by all the people of Earth).

Those who do not receive the "mark" on their hand or head, will suffer greatly.

That is also what the Bible warns us about before the fall of Babylon the Great, and should be taken into consideration.

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also of course , babylon the great includes all of false religion .not just christendom ,that is why it is called (babylon the great )but according to the bible christendom is a major part of it and is more at blame because it claims to worship the God of the bible, of course others may think differently to that but that is my beliefs and as far as i am concerned this is in line with the rest of the bible .so i would rather put my trust in Gods kingdom which will bring peace to the earth rather than putting my trust in man made political systems which claim they are the only way to peace .christendom has failed the God of the bible because they have put their trust in the political united nations and not in Gods established kingdom in the heavens since 1914 also christendoms clergy have been the instigaters of persecution (the inquisition)they even tried to stamp out the bible so that people could not read it. seems to me that they have betrayed God and the bible................oh well i am off to sunny spain for 2 weeks i am sure i will not be missed LOL

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

also of course , babylon the great includes all of false religion .not just christendom ,that is why it is called (babylon the great )but according to the bible christendom is a major part of it and is more at blame because it claims to worship the God of the bible, of course others may think differently to that but that is my beliefs and as far as i am concerned this is in line with the rest of the bible .so i would rather put my trust in Gods kingdom which will bring peace to the earth rather than putting my trust in man made political systems which claim they are the only way to peace .christendom has failed the God of the bible because they have put their trust in the political united nations and not in Gods established kingdom in the heavens since 1914 also christendoms clergy have been the instigaters of persecution (the inquisition)they even tried to stamp out the bible so that people could not read it. seems to me that they have betrayed God and the bible................oh well i am off to sunny spain for 2 weeks i am sure i will not be missed LOL

The Bible says nothing about Christendom, nor of all the false religions. It speaks of the one world religion that all must accept. It calls that the false religion, with the Anti-Christ as being the head of that religion, and the one all must bow down to, regardless of their personal beliefs. It supercedes all religions, and targets Christianity in particular. Christians will be hounded and persecuted relentlessly, because they will refuse to accept the new religion as their own.

The only thing established in 1914, was World War I. The United States government has no faith in the United Nations...or haven't you been reading the news? In fact, the United States had not faith in the original League of Nations in 1918-1920, which is why we pulled out.

I can not answer for the foibles of the Roman Catholic Church circa 1200-1600 AD, nor can I justify the idiocy of the Roman Church during World War II. But Pope John Paul II in an unprecedented action, publically apologized for the behavior of the church during the middle of the twentieth century.

Enjoy Spain. The Straits of Gibraltar and Town of Rota are particularly beautiful to see. The food and company of the townsfolk there is very pleasant.

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[VLreal]

The Bible says that no one will know when the time comes. I also believe that Babylonis Babylon. The actual, real place. The fallen angel and his minions, I think, are bound in chains and buried under the Euphrates River. Isn’t that where the actual abyss is? I believe the time is not at hand, but is not far off. The Bible has all of the answers in it. We must be ready just as the virgins who filled their lamps with oil before the wedding. The places specified in revelations are the actual, real places. The Jewish temple will have to be rebuilt on it’s original site and I don’t see any one powerful enough to do that right now. The people who are meant to know will have studied and will recognize the signs. Christians suffer under the new religion. The world sees us as following a false religion because they believe the Anti is the real thing. Christians are absolutely not the cause of the world religion.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by VLreal

The Bible says that no one will know when the time comes. I also believe that Babylonis Babylon. The actual, real place. The fallen angel and his minions, I think, are bound in chains and buried under the Euphrates River. Isn’t that where the actual abyss is? I believe the time is not at hand, but is not far off. The Bible has all of the answers in it. We must be ready just as the virgins who filled their lamps with oil before the wedding. The places specified in revelations are the actual, real places. The Jewish temple will have to be rebuilt on it’s original site and I don’t see any one powerful enough to do that right now. The people who are meant to know will have studied and will recognize the signs. Christians suffer under the new religion. The world sees us as following a false religion because they believe the Anti is the real thing. Christians are absolutely not the cause of the world religion.

Agreed. But you have given me pause to think of something V...

What if the "Rebuilding of the Temple" has nothing to do with the actual temple at all? What if it has to do with Israel rebuilding its faith? That would and could move much faster than constructing a massive temple out of stone and wood...

my two cents.

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[InLove]

Hi Everyone--Peace!

Well this is quite a thread! But then The Revelation is quite a conversation starter, is it not?

While perusing and muddling through, the following really caught my attention:

Originally posted by lunamoth

I have a related question that perhaps our resident Bible scholars can answer. In Isaiah 14:12 morning star refers to either Satan and/or to the king of Babylon
Quote:
12 How you have fallen from heaven,
O morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!


In Revelation morning star clearly refers to Christ coming in Glory (Rev 2:28 and 22:16).

Quote:
16“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life. (Rev 22)


Does anyone have any insight into why the same name might be used? Maybe it's because Satan/humans inspired by satanic motivations try to usurp the Title? Or is it a translation issue?

Glad you asked, luna--this is a question that has bugged me for a long time. (I once wrote and recorded some lyrics that referred to the "Morning Star", and afterward I read the verse in Isaiah--just as you have it there--and so, of course I wondered about it.) I have seen this translation before, and I have been searching for it; I was beginning to think I had dreamed it! Can you tell me what translation you were using when you posted this?

If the answer is already here in the thread--my apologies--I missed it somehow.

My thoughts on Babylon coming soon.... maybe....if I can get it together and the phone stops ringing (sounds like the Mad Lib Thread, which I fear is doomed to oblivion)

InPeace,
InLove

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by InLove

Hi Everyone--Peace!

Well this is quite a thread! But then The Revelation is quite a conversation starter, is it not?

While perusing and muddling through, the following really caught my attention:


Glad you asked, luna--this is a question that has bugged me for a long time. (I once wrote and recorded some lyrics that referred to the "Morning Star", and afterward I read the verse in Isaiah--just as you have it there--and so, of course I wondered about it.) I have seen this translation before, and I have been searching for it; I was beginning to think I had dreamed it! Can you tell me what translation you were using when you posted this?

If the answer is already here in the thread--my apologies--I missed it somehow.

My thoughts on Babylon coming soon.... maybe....if I can get it together and the phone stops ringing (sounds like the Mad Lib Thread, which I fear is doomed to oblivion)

InPeace,
InLove

Hi InLove,

I usually use a Study NIV and that is where the verse I quoted came from. For a nice website try:

http://bible.gospelcom.net/

peace,
lunamoth

[Quahom1]

I know, (shoot the b*stard that started it). I really wanted a philisophical discussion on the issue. but...what will be will be. Besides, I never get exactly what I want...but then who does?


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[InLove]

Uh-Oh! I hope no one thought that I think THIS thread is doomed! LOL--I was talking about the poor, crazy Mad-Lib Thread in the lounge (in the story, the phone won't stop ringing--and neither will mine here at home/work .)

Sorry-guess I should have realized that what I said might be confusing.

InPeace,
InLove

[truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I know, (shoot the b*stard that started it). I really wanted a philisophical discussion on the issue. but...what will be will be. Besides, I never get exactly what I want...but then who does?


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Yeah, you and VL were really off to a good start. I was getting ready to jump in at some point. But what will be will be.

[InLove]

As I said, I think the thread is a good one--don't anybody shoot anyone--including me, please? I believe there has been a misunderstanding. Please, someone, back to the discussion? I was planning to offer my 2c as to the identity of Babylon, but now I am wondering if it is okay? (Also, I am having some posting problems that I am trying to clear up ASAP--)

As Always,
InPeace,

InLove