Revelation, are you ready?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

The final judgement on this system of things including the rulers. goverments ,religion , is yet to come, no one knows the hour as jesus said .we are to keep awake to the signs jesus left in matthew 24 and 25 Jehovah God always warns his people before the destruction of the unrightous so that they can change their ways and be saved ,
For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets(Amos 3;7)

that is why he warns his people to get out of false religion .( babylon the great )(rev 18;4)also ( rev 7;9 speaks of a great crowd who will be worshipping in the right way .babylon the great has no hold on true christians but its final destruction is yet to come

No Mee. Jesus said He will come like a thief in the night. No warning. We are to be ready now, but we will have no warning as to His return until He is here. To imply otherwise is to ignore what Jesus said. As for warning...we already have been warned, about 2000 years ago, and everytime one reads the words of the Bible. The "signs" in Matthew are the beginning of birth pangs, but even then it is not yet time, as specifically stated by Jesus.

Jesus also said He hated religion. In fact the only religion Jesus cared for was the taking care of orphans and widows (which meant to religiously care for those unable to care for themselves...). So by your own statement, there is not one "religion" that is true today...not one.

If Christendom is corrupt, then all of Christianity is corrupt...Christendom afterall encompasses all Christians of every walk, even me, even you...unless you are implying you are not Christian, but something better...

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

No Mee. Jesus said He will come like a thief in the night. No warning. We are to be ready now, but we will have no warning as to His return until He is here. To imply otherwise is to ignore what Jesus said. As for warning...we already have been warned, about 2000 years ago, and everytime one reads the words of the Bible. The "signs" in Matthew are the beginning of birth pangs, but even then it is not yet time, as specifically stated by Jesus.

Jesus also said He hated religion. In fact the only religion Jesus cared for was the taking care of orphans and widows (which meant to religiously care for those unable to care for themselves...). So by your own statement, there is not one "religion" that is true today...not one.

If Christendom is corrupt, then all of Christianity is corrupt...Christendom afterall encompasses all Christians of every walk, even me, even you...unless you are implying you are not Christian, but something better...

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true christianty is not corrupt because it has not taken on babylonish teaching that is why we are told to get out of it

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

true christianty is not corrupt because it has not taken on babylonish teaching that is why we are told to get out of it

We were told to be in this world but not of it a long time ago as well. Nothing new under the sun.

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

We were told to be in this world but not of it a long time ago as well. Nothing new under the sun.

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thats correct,we were told to be no part of the world , but remember revelation is for our day and jesus said at rev 1;3 Happy is anyone observing the words of the prophecy of this scroll.so we have to get out of false religion then we will be happy because we are not part of babylon the great and will not go down with it(rev 18;21)

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

thats correct,we were told to be no part of the world , but remember revelation is for our day and jesus said at rev 1;3 Happy is anyone observing the words of the prophecy of this scroll.so we have to get out of false religion then we will be happy because we are not part of babylon the great and will not go down with it(rev 18;21)

(chuckle), We were told to be not of this world. There is a difference between that, and "be no part of" this world. Revelation is for every day since the moment it was penned to paper (papyrus, or scroll). We are told to be as wise a serpents, but as innocent as doves.

Blessed is anyone who reads the words of this book, and blessed are those who hear the words...for one shall receive one reward and the other shall receive another reward.

Christians aren't in a false religion, since Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is a way of life. It is a faithful way of living. Religion is the dogma, doctrines and human precepts placed upon us in following that faith or any other faith. That is where things get mucked and muddied. That is also where people cause others pain, sadness and confusion. Not very Christian like behavior I should think.

The biggest obstacle to Jesus or God or Yaweh in claiming His beloved mankind, is a condemning Christian...

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[Faithfulservant]

I think its scary that people become indoctrinated into a religion that has so many failed prophecies..going into it naively and not knowing enough about the bible to know that it says about false prophets.

From a list of over 180 false prophecies starting at its birth in the 1870's I will pull a few out.


1879 "Christ came in the character of a Bridegroom in 1874.... at the beginning of the Gospel harvest." (Watchtower, Oct 1879, p. 4

1880 "We need not here repeat the evidences that the "seventh trump" began its sounding A.D., 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of trouble, and the end of "The times of the Gentiles," A.D., 1914, and that it is the trouble of this "Great day," which is here symbolically called the voice of the Archangel when he begins the deliverance of fleshly Israel. "At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince (Archangel) which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation." Dan. xii. 1. Nor will we here, again present the conclusive Bible proof that our Lord came for his Bride in 1874, and has an unseen work as Reaper of the first-fruits of this Gospel Age. (Zion's Watchtower November, 1880 p. 1)


1888 "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions." (The Time Is At Hand, 1888, p. 76, 77)

1889 "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, The Time Is At Hand, 1889 Ed., p. 101. The 1915 Edition of this texts changed "A.D. 1914" to read 'A.D. 1915')

1889 "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889)

1894 "We see no reason for changing the figures nor could we change them if we would. They are, we believe, Gods dates, not ours. But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." (Watchtower, July 15, 1894, Reprints p. 1677)

1897 "Complete destruction of the 'powers that be' of 'this present evil worlds - political, financial, ecclesiastical - about the close of the Time of the Gentiles; October A.D. 1914." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, IV, p. 622, 1897)

1903 "When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and sages in history." (Watchtower, May 1, 1903, p. 130-131; p3184 Reprints) * I thought this one was interesting

1914 "While it's possible that Armageddon may begin next Spring, yet this purely speculation to attempt to say just when. We see, however, that there are parallels between the close of the Jewish age and this Gospel age. These parallels seem to point to the year just before us part particularly the early months." (Watchtower Reprints, VI, Sept 1, 1914, p. 5527)

1915 "The present great war in Europe is the beginning of the Armageddon of the Scriptures Rev 19:16-20). It will eventuate in the complete overthrow of all the systems of error which have so long oppressed the people of God and deluded the world. We believe the present war cannot last much longer until revolutions shall break out" (C.T. Russell, Pastor Russell's Sermons, p. 676, Sometime during World War I)

1917 'There will be no slip-up...Abraham should enter upon the actual possession of his promised inheritance in the year 1925' (Watchtower Oct. 15, 1917, p. 6157)

1917 "And the mountains were not found. Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920. And the mountains were not found. Every kingdom of earth will pass away, be swallowed up in anarchy." (The Finished Mystery, 1917 edition, p. 258

1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection." (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89)

1922 "The period must end in 1925. The type ending, the antitype must begin; and therefore 1925 is definitely fixed in the scriptures. every thinking person can see that a great climax is at hand. The Scriptures clearly indicate that the climax is the fall of Satan's empire and the full establishment of the Messianic kingdom. This climax being reached by 1925, and that marking the beginning of the fulfillment of the long promised blessings of life to the people, millions now living on earth will be living then and those who obey the righteous laws of the new arrangement will live forever. Therefore it can be confidently said at this time that millions now living will never die." (Golden Age, Jan. 4, 1922, p. 217)

1924 "The year 1925 is a date definitely and clearly marked in Scriptures, even more clearly than that of 1914. (Watchtower 1924, p. 211)
1938 "They had preached that in an early time God would overthrow "Christendom". Many had emphasized the year 1925 as the date, and then when that date did not materialize the date was moved up to 1932. Again, 1932 came and ''Christendom'' was not destroyed, and now it was discovered that "Christendom" would be spared for a while longer for the sake of the Jonadab class, and this made the proud "elective elder" crowd very mad." (Watchtower Feb. 15, 1938 p. 54)

1943 "Man cannot by airplane or rockets or other means get above the air envelope which is about our earthly globe..."(The Truth Shall Make you Free, p. 285, 1943 edition) *Oh really?

1971 "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah; 1971; 2nd ed.; p. 216)

Well its obvious I couldnt post all them.. but they are there in writing for anyone to see.

[didymus]

Faithful, you are aware that Paul and the crew also thought the end was coming in their day right? In fact they had to tell people to get to work and make themselves useful because they gave up everything because the end was near. Also in about 1000ad people went out in droves to the hilltops waiting for Christ to come back. I have spoken with many christians that believe the end days are here now and that it will happen in their lifetime (within the next 30 -40 years).

Nobody knows. what kills me is that Jesus told everyone that it won't come with their careful observation. If someone says, "here it is" or "there it is, don't pay attention, the kingdom is within you." Or as mee likes to say, "in your midst."

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by didymus

Faithful, you are aware that Paul and the crew also thought the end was coming in their day right? In fact they had to tell people to get to work and make themselves useful because they gave up everything because the end was near. Also in about 1000ad people went out in droves to the hilltops waiting for Christ to come back. I have spoken with many christians that believe the end days are here now and that it will happen in their lifetime (within the next 30 -40 years).

Nobody knows. what kills me is that Jesus told everyone that it won't come with their careful observation. If someone says, "here it is" or "there it is, don't pay attention, the kingdom is within you." Or as mee likes to say, "in your midst."

Perhaps that is because Jesus wants us to stop looking for the end (which is from without), and start looking at the kingdom (which is from within)?

Almost a play on words if you think about it. "Stop looking for death, it will surely come in its time, start looking for life, because it is already here, now..."

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[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Perhaps that is because Jesus wants us to stop looking for the end (which is from without), and start looking at the kingdom (which is from within)?

Almost a play on words if you think about it. "Stop looking for death, it will surely come in its time, start looking for life, because it is already here, now..."

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Nice, Q. I like this take on it.

lunamoth

[Abogado del Diablo]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Almost a play on words if you think about it. "Stop looking for death, it will surely come in its time, start looking for life, because it is already here, now..."

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Nice. I like that one.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Abogado del Diablo

Nice. I like that one.

Simultaneous posting! Cool .
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[Abogado del Diablo]

That was weird.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Abogado del Diablo

That was weird.

punchbug!

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[Faithfulservant]

Mark 13:14-23 14 "So when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not" (let the reader understand), "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house. 16 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 17 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 18 And pray that your flight may not be in winter. 19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. 20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days. 21 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, He is there!' do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand


For some reason I feel a great need to correct people when they misquote scripture. This one is for you Didymus.

Sounds to me not just here but throughout the NT that we are to be watching for the signs and praying that he come quickly.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

(chuckle), We were told to be not of this world. There is a difference between that, and "be no part of" this world. Revelation is for every day since the moment it was penned to paper (papyrus, or scroll). We are told to be as wise a serpents, but as innocent as doves.

Blessed is anyone who reads the words of this book, and blessed are those who hear the words...for one shall receive one reward and the other shall receive another reward.

Christians aren't in a false religion, since Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is a way of life. It is a faithful way of living. Religion is the dogma, doctrines and human precepts placed upon us in following that faith or any other faith. That is where things get mucked and muddied. That is also where people cause others pain, sadness and confusion. Not very Christian like behavior I should think.

The biggest obstacle to Jesus or God or Yaweh in claiming His beloved mankind, is a condemning Christian...

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Did not jesus himself condemn the main religion of his day because of their traditions(mark 7; 7-8)
It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach as doctrines commands of men. Letting go the commandment of God, YOU hold fast the tradition of men.seems to me that christendom hold on to there tradtions of men as well . trinity doctrine , hellfire, imortality of the soul , pagan beliefs mixed in with bible beliefs there are many more if people bother to do their research . jesus did not mind expposing the main religion of his day because of there falseness its the same today he does not mind false teachers being shown up for what they are false . and people are led to believe that these manmade doctrines are from God when they are nothing of the sort