Saving Lives - Page 2

Quahom1 · 05-15-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by niranjan

Life is important, no doubt , but as I said righteousness, justice,self-respect,honour, are indeed more important than ones own life, and this is why people like gandhi and King and Jesus sacrificed their own lives for the sake of others.

ok. I'm beginning to understand what you mean. What good is life, without noble thoughts guiding it? Am I close?

17th Angel · 05-15-2007, 03:07 PM

Would Self-respect really lead to sacrafice for others? ....

Quahom1 · 05-15-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Would Self-respect really lead to sacrafice for others? ....

Yeah soldier, I think so...

Any man who thinks well of himself, would have the confidence to protect others. Even at the cost of his own life...(already know you would...

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17th Angel · 05-15-2007, 03:18 PM

Indeed have done before, and would again.

Ok then.... Without self respect..... Would that lead to sacrafice for others?

Quahom1 · 05-15-2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Indeed have done before, and would again.

Ok then.... Without self respect..... Would that lead to sacrafice for others?

(chuckle) can't answer that soldier...got too much self-respect...

17th Angel · 05-15-2007, 03:27 PM

Ok, then say... You saw someone else... They lacked confidence, self-respect.... Strength and power.... He isn't a man of god... He isn't "righteous" However, in this situation... Rebel Soldiers have entered the area from the west; they have heard and noticed movement in this building wreck... They are on a search and destro... Sorry On a sweep and clean... This person with no self-respect.... Is there with his true love, his wife.... He sacrifice's himself to face whatever is to happen to save his wife.... But, he has no self-respect... He has love..... Wouldn't that be a possible situation?

Wouldn't the key thing be Love... Not confidence or respect or divine righteousness......

Quahom1 · 05-15-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Ok, then say... You saw someone else... They lacked confidence, self-respect.... Strength and power.... He isn't a man of god... He isn't "righteous" However, in this situation... Rebel Soldiers have entered the area from the west; they have heard and noticed movement in this building wreck... They are on a search and destro... Sorry On a sweep and clean... This person with no self-respect.... Is there with his true love, his wife.... He sacrifice's himself to face whatever is to happen to save his wife.... But, he has no self-respect... He has love..... Wouldn't that be a possible situation?

Wouldn't the key thing be Love... Not confidence or respect or divine righteousness......

Good question. The Bible has a simple but profound answer.

GOD SAID, "Greater love hath no man, than he who would lay his life down for his friends".

God also said. "Faith, Hope and Love, these three, but the GREATEST of these is LOVE.

Love is the great equalizer in life. If we love, then paupers become as important as kings...

a soldier's love for his home and people, is one of the greatest loves on earth...don't ever forget that.

v/r

Joshua

17th Angel · 05-15-2007, 04:53 PM

I would agree with that, if you have at least love for another, or respect for another, you do not need to have love or respect for yourself, you find this intense amount of willpower to to triumph even if that means self sacrafice....

Quahom1 · 05-15-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

I would agree with that, if you have at least love for another, or respect for another, you do not need to have love or respect for yourself, you find this intense amount of willpower to to triumph even if that means self sacrafice....

Except that, love is contagious. When one begins to love another, that love splashes back on the one (totally accidental, but effective none the less).

Love does some great things. It makes us shine. It toughens the exterior while softening the interior. It feeds the soul and soothes the heart. It does have some drawbacks however, but nothing that can't be handled.

What drawbacks? It awakens the conscience, and makes people aware of others and past deeds. It makes us want to fix things we might have broken. It gives us resolve.

And yes, it gives us the capacity to put ourselves in harm's way, for another. (that is potentially detrimental). But it makes everything worth it.

To be loved and to love, for one second, is worth an entire life time.

Pony up soldier! You got a whole life ahead of you. And love to discover...man, are you gonna be busy... (lol)

17th Angel · 05-16-2007, 08:55 AM

Q one more thing...

Humble. I may have a major misunderstanding of this word. To be humble, isn't that to have less self-respect, love for oneself?

hum·ble

/ˈhʌm

bəl, ˈʌm-/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[huhm-buh

l, uhm-]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciationadjective, -bler, -blest, verb, -bled, -bling.
–adjective 1.not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful. 2.having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.: In the presence of so many world-famous writers I felt very humble. 3.low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.; lowly: of humble origin; a humble home. 4.courteously respectful: In my humble opinion you are wrong. 5.low in height, level, etc.; small in size: a humble member of the galaxy. –verb (used with object) 6.to lower in condition, importance, or dignity; abase. 7.to destroy the independence, power, or will of. 8.to make meek: to humble one's heart.

god wishes for one to be humble/meek right? But then there looking at number four... Courteously respectful? Hmmm I dunno.... Nevermind maybe barking up the wrong tree here.

Dondi · 05-16-2007, 12:23 PM

I think you have to contrast the word humble with pride:

"A man's pride shall bring him low: but honour shall uphold the humble in spirit." - Psalm 29:23

Pathless · 05-16-2007, 06:41 PM

Humility to me has nothing to do with self-effacement. It's not about sniveling and bowing down to "superiors." Humility is a feeling you get when everything slides into perspective and you realize that it's not you, not your little ego, running the show. Then--boom!! Holy Crap man!! You can recognize that great forces are at work, powerful forces, wild ones, not to be controlled--humbling forces, mind-blowing. It's not to do with a relationship between people, but with the relationship of individual self and the Greater Scheme of Things. And at the same time and by the same token, realizing that the small self of the individual--you--is a wiggle in the operation of this Great Force. Beautiful Thing. And so it has not to do with self-effacement and all to do with self-respect. This self-respect is in perspective, though; the perspective of being a giggle, a wild action in this Great Scheme, of being a wiggle in the divine play of the universe. Inneffable unfathomablity!!! Ah, humility.

Muslimwoman · 05-17-2007, 05:36 AM

Well said Pathless.

Pathless · 05-17-2007, 07:26 AM

Thank you.

17th Angel · 05-17-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pathless

Humility to me has nothing to do with self-effacement. It's not about sniveling and bowing down to "superiors." Humility is a feeling you get when everything slides into perspective and you realize that it's not you, not your little ego, running the show.

Little? My ego be big!

"If there's anything around here more important than my ego, I want it caught and shot now!" - Zaphod Beeblebrox