Saving Lives

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Nope. His greatest successes are when man looks away from the obvious, and calls it imaginary...but he who stares evil in the face despite his fear, can also look upon God with a just and righteous heart.

Well, if you want to argue with a man like Gandhi , who is the mentor of Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Dalai Lama, Aung Saan Kyi, and many other giants , have it your way.

Though I must say there is truth in what you said as well.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who do not do anything about it.
---Albert Einstein

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Well, if you want to argue with a man like Gandhi , who is the mentor of Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Dalai Lama, Aung Saan Kyi, and many other giants , have it your way.

Though I must say there is truth in what you said as well.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who do not do anything about it.
---Albert Einstein

I am my own man...I don't need a hero.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I am my own man...I don't need a hero.

Cool.

Self-trust is the essence of heroism.
---Ralph waldo Emerson.


However I don't know whether you will be able to accomplish more than Martin Luther King, Aung saan kyi, dalai lama, nelson mandela, hugo chavez, and others who have acknowledged gandhi as their hero.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Cool.

Self-trust is the essence of heroism.
---Ralph waldo Emerson.


However I don't know whether you will be able to accomplish more than Martin Luther King, Aung saan kyi, dalai lama, nelson mandela, hugo chavez, and others who have acknowledged gandhi as their hero.

I already did sir/ma'am. I saved a life (dozens of times over), when I didn't have to. I jumped into harms way, because it was/is the right thing to do. I put others' health and wellbeing before my own. And I enjoy doing it.

None of them ever did that, even once. They talked the talk. I took their advice and walked the walk...

And I raised two boys to take my place once I'm gone, and they have learned to do the same thing. And you know what? You deserve it. (my best, that is)

v/r

Joshua

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I already did sir/ma'am. I saved a life (dozens of times over), when I didn't have to. I jumped into harms way, because it was/is the right thing to do. I put others' health and wellbeing before my own. And I enjoy doing it.

None of them ever did that, even once. They talked the talk. I took their advice and walked the walk...

And I raised two boys to take my place once I'm gone, and they have learned to do the same thing. And you know what? You deserve it. (my best, that is)

v/r

Joshua

So you have saved 12 lives . Congratulations. However I can safely say that Martin Luther King has accomplished more than you, because through the civil disobedience movement he created, he eradicated oppression towards the millions of blacks and gave them dignity and self-respect .

And you know there are some things that are more valuable than life itself.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by niranjan

So you have saved 12 lives . Congratulations. However I can safely say that Martin Luther King has accomplished more than you, because through the civil disobedience movement he created, he eradicated oppression towards the millions of blacks and gave them dignity and self-respect .

And you know there are some things that are more valuable than life itself.

Dozens of lives...

who can put a price on life? One or One million...the price is still "priceless".

Maybe a life I saved will become president one day, or chancelor or premier. And there is nothing more precious than life, no prose or poetry or muse or declaration is more precious than life.

You mistake me for someone who thinks life is a dime a dozen...a grave mistake indeed.

Your, concept of liberation, leaves much to be desired. Out of the frying pan, into the fire. Now the young men of our "negroid influence" (12% of the total population of the US), are killing themselves at a 40% annual rate. Within ten years, their will be no true Negros in the United States.

It's not because others are trying to kill them off (in fact others are fighting to save them), no, they seem quite happy killing themselves, and anyone else that comes near them. Any "black" man who walks into a college anywhere in this country and says "I have no money right now, but I want to educate myself, how can I do that"...will have counselors falling over themselves to help that MAN. I've seen it happen.

So your perception of bigotry is out of line. No one wants a man to be stupid, or ignorant, not even farmers who employ migrants.

I am reminded of an American made movie called "The Big Red 1". Taking place in WWII, an officer is standing on the foot board of the truck, basking in glory and self righteousness he didn't deserve, gets a shellacking from tree branches (knocked off the truck), when the driver swerves on purpose to that end. Those in the truck, deserved the kudos for their efforts. They also earned the respect of their command. They weren't officers, but hard luck soldiers who rose to the task. Doomed to fail from the start, but something went wrong. Heroes.

Well, every man is a "hero" in the making, and it doesn't matter color, creed, or faith. What does matter is what is beneath his breast plate.

I'm not the one with bigotry on my mind...how about you?

v/r

Q

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Your, concept of liberation, leaves much to be desired. Out of the frying pan, into the fire. Now the young men of our "negroid influence" (12% of the total population of the US), are killing themselves at a 40% annual rate. Within ten years, their will be no true Negros in the United States.


Q

So are you saying that Martin Luther Kings civil disobedience movement which gave self-respect, dignity and rights to the negroes was a bad idea.

Also I am sure he saved the lives of hundreds of potential blacks who could have been lynched by the whites.

Also Martin Luther King advocated non-violence, and what gangster blacks are doing is in conflict with his teachings of non-violence. It probably has to do with the fact that they are uneducated ,and lived in ghettoes.

Probably if the american government considered Kings proposal to spent money on rehabilitation of the blacks and give them free education and jobs , all these violence could have ended.

Also I clearly know that there are a lot of educated , intelligent decent blacks in the U.S. which itself shows that education can help better lives. If the U.S. government had taken heed of Kings proposal, all these black gangsters could have been men like Colin Powell, Denzel Washington, or women like Whitney Houston, or Condeleeza Rice.

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

And there is nothing more precious than life, no prose or poetry or muse or declaration is more precious than life.

Self-respect, honour, justice , righteousness is indeed more valuable than life.

And if you claim it is not so, then you should condemn the war for independence in America against the British, the civil war, and the war against nazism and fascism.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by niranjan

So are you saying that Martin Luther Kings civil disobedience movement which gave self-respect, dignity and rights to the negroes was a bad idea.

Also I am sure he saved the lives of hundreds of potential blacks who could have been lynched by the whites.

Also Martin Luther King advocated non-violence, and what gangster blacks are doing is in conflict with his teachings of non-violence. It probably has to do with the fact that they are uneducated ,and lived in ghettoes.

Probably if the american government considered Kings proposal to spent money on rehabilitation of the blacks and give them free education and jobs , all these violence could have ended.

Also I clearly know that there are a lot of educated , intelligent decent blacks in the U.S. which itself shows that education can help better lives. If the U.S. government had taken heed of Kings proposal, all these black gangsters could have been men like Colin Powell, Denzel Washington, or women like Whitney Houston, or Condeleeza Rice.

Not at all. What I'm saying is that King's message wasn't taken to heart. That is why we have young men (with fantastic potential), dying in the streets.

We have older angry people, telling the younger ones that the system doesn't include them. They're not even getting a chance to show what they're made of.

Let me give you a case in point: When I was stationed in Washington, DC I used to mentor children at a local elementary school.

But the new principal arrived one day, and told us non-blacks, that we were not to attempt to mentor anyone. We were simply there to smile for the camera, and make like we gave a damn (now we've been mentoring in this particular schools for ten years).

Anywho, I laughed out loud at the audacity of the principal, and was promptly escorted off the premises. BUT, the principal, was fired within a year, and we were asked to come back to mentor the kids.


Man, those boys and girls were soooo very happy to see us again. Know why? I'm sure you can fathom a guess.

They don't care about color, or ethnicity, or culture. All they care about is being accepted, loved, and encouraged...even if it comes from a stranger.

After awhile, the "stranger" isn't.

It seems to me, that you and I are thinking along the same lines...we just express ourselves differently...

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Gentlemen, are we losing sight of the original premise behind this thread? Or are we adding fuel to the fire?

I think, Juan, that we are asking hard questions. Not many people want to answer such. What I don't think, is that we are adding fuel, nor do I think we are losing sight of the origins of this thread.

I for one am pleased and grateful to be able to address Niranjan's thoughts. Obviously Niranjan wants to know where I am coming from (who could blame him/her)?

I admit, I am a curt cuss (I come by it honestly), but I'm not picking a fight. If you think I'm out of line however, I'll stop.

v/r

Joshua

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Self-respect, honour, justice , righteousness is indeed more valuable than life.

And if you claim it is not so, then you should condemn the war for independence in America against the British, the civil war, and the war against nazism and fascism.

Ok, but I think that without life...the rest is moot. There is an ingredient that must be added to any cause, belief, or concept. It is the "yeast" of such. Life.

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Joshua

[niranjan]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Ok, but I think that without life...the rest is moot. There is an ingredient that must be added to any cause, belief, or concept.

Life is important, no doubt , but as I said righteousness, justice,self-respect,honour, are indeed more important than ones own life, and this is why people like gandhi and King and Jesus sacrificed their own lives for the sake of others.

[I, Brian]

Moved out from the Islam thread, in case people want to continue the discussion.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by niranjan

Well, if you want to argue with a man like Gandhi , who is the mentor of Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Dalai Lama, Aung Saan Kyi, and many other giants , have it your way.

Though I must say there is truth in what you said as well.

The world is a dangerous place, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who do not do anything about it.
---Albert Einstein

lol!! Oh Q! You should have known better... You can't argue with Gandhi... Golden rule... Or something.... tut tut....

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

lol!! Oh Q! You should have known better... You can't argue with Gandhi... Golden rule... Or something.... tut tut....

Ahhh...but didn't Ghandi question somebody? Heroes got to get their start somwhere...