Selfishness - Page 3

Quahom1 · 04-28-2007, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AndrewX

You're trying to have your cake here, and eat it too. As an esotericist, I understand this as the distinction between a lesser self (or the personality - such as "you," me, Joshua, etc.) ... and a Greater.

That point made in and of itself is a segregator... You just seperated self from the rest. The connotation (whether intentional or not), is "Io Solo".

...and yes, I do have a degree in Psychology (lol), criminal psychology

Quahom1 · 04-28-2007, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

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Ah ha! Something we both can agree on! What a wonderful change! As long as one understands that "the Greatest Good for the Greatest Number" must be tempered with respectful concern for those in the minority. Otherwise, you only have Mill's utilitarianism...also known as "the end justifies the means." Are you saying it is alright to trample the minority in order to sate the majority? I would hope not, and suggest you reconsider your selfish motives.

Um, does that mean the needs of the One, sometimes outway the needs of the many?...

(josh, you and your ST fascination...)

LOL

gotta love me, I'm the baby...

juantoo3 · 04-28-2007, 04:35 AM

Kindest Regards, Q!

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Um, does that mean the needs of the One, sometimes outway the needs of the many?...

Indeed. Logically.

AndrewX · 04-28-2007, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

You want me to see things from your perspective. Nothing insulting about that. But it is "selfish"...

No Joshua, what I want, is for you, and for everyone, to Will the Divine Will, for all the planet. Sure, that's a bit selfish ... and thus, as Buddhistically as I can, I also strive to practice detachment, since I know that what you will, is your own "free will" ... and we do not always choose the Divine Will. Not you, not me, not 99.9% of Humanity.

But there are men, and women, who do ...

Quahom1 · 04-28-2007, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Q!

Indeed. Logically.

C? six muns ago I cunent spell inginneer...now I are one...

Quahom1 · 04-28-2007, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AndrewX

No Joshua, what I want, is for you, and for everyone, to Will the Divine Will, for all the planet. Sure, that's a bit selfish ... and thus, as Buddhistically as I can, I also strive to practice detachment, since I know that what you will, is your own "free will" ... and we do not always choose the Divine Will. Not you, not me, not 99.9% of Humanity.

But there are men, and women, who do ...

Only three, last count I took. Enoch, Ellijah, and...hmmm who was that other one?...

AndrewX · 04-28-2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AndrewX

But don't let me break up your club.
(Heaven knows, I sure don't want to upset your preferred seating arrangements! )

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

I am thinking your selfish actions are betraying your words here.

You lost me.

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Oh my. I let myself get a little out of sorts with Taijasi. Because of such, I tried really, really hard to accommodate Zagreus. Now, Andrew shoves comments like these in my face...almost a dare? We are mincing semantics. You, as an esotericist, are going to invent words and apply meanings that are non-existent or irrelevant or completely contrary. As an exotericist, I am using the precise meaning of the word selfish. Now, if you could somehow tie "self" to "ego," perhaps in a Buddhist sense you might develop a coherent argument. But as it stands, what you have is opinion. No less than I do. Except I see my opinion as based in reality and established meaning, supported by a well known if somewhat obscure philosopher named Ayn Rand. Whereas I see your application fluctuate depending on company present, subject at hand and who you wish to buffalo for the moment. Hospitality has its limits; when a guest is rude, they are asked to leave, politely at first. Your disagreement is not the cause of my concern, the snide remarks that go along with your comments however, betray your "selflessness." Simply put, no matter what you say to the contrary, there is no evidence.

Just practice what you preach, Juantoo3, no more, no less. That's what I'm doing ... how about a little capitulatation? Asking too much? Ah well, I'll do your share. I do owe a few folks, a few favors ...

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Are you saying it is alright to trample the minority in order to sate the majority?

Your words, your belief?

AndrewX · 04-28-2007, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

That point made in and of itself is a segregator... You just seperated self from the rest. The connotation (whether intentional or not), is "Io Solo".

...and yes, I do have a degree in Psychology (lol), criminal psychology

No, Q, you too are invited to follow the narrow, razor's-edged Path. The separation is automatic. You can quibble with my language if you like, but do not take up God's System. It may seem to lack, in men's eyes, yet I haven't come across a better idea in my one & a half score and five (nor in all the prior lifetimes I can count). Can you?

GOD'S SYSTEM

Dare you ask? Or would you rather - suit yourself?

AndrewX · 04-28-2007, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Q!

Indeed. Logically.

he was, is, and always shall be ... my favorite (and a true friend)

Quahom1 · 04-28-2007, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AndrewX

No, Q, you too are invited to follow the narrow, razor's-edged Path. The separation is automatic. You can quibble with my language if you like, but do not take up God's System. It may seem to lack, in men's eyes, yet I haven't come across a better idea in my three score and five (nor in all the prior lifetimes I can count). Can you?

GOD'S SYSTEM

Dare you ask? Or would you rather - suit yourself?

I'm not interested in the internal Andrew. I like to selfishly do random acts of kindness...that's why I serve in the Coast Guard (for the last 30 years).

AndrewX · 04-28-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Only three, last count I took. Enoch, Ellijah, and...hmmm who was that other one?...

Well I myself know of several, but I'll take it on faith that a few additional dozen also exist. But, as Buddistically as I can, I will also consider that 900 arhats have preceeded us ...

... and the funny thing is, I don't see too much talk about that in Bible study. Why is that?

Quahom1 · 04-28-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AndrewX

he was, is, and always shall be ... my favorite (and a true friend)

"friend"...not favorite. And the greatest compliment Kirk ever gave Spock was this "...his was the most..."human""

Quahom1 · 04-28-2007, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AndrewX

Well I myself know of several, but I'll take it on faith that a few additional dozen also exist. But, as Buddistically as I can, I will also consider that 900 arhats have preceeded us ...

... and the funny thing is, I don't see too much talk about that in Bible study. Why is that?

Maybe because the term in the Bible is, "saint"?...

AndrewX · 04-28-2007, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I'm not interested in the internal Andrew. I like to selfishly do random acts of kindness...that's why I serve in the Coast Guard (for the last 30 years).

Aha, toot the horn of self, and that's perfectly fine - but you see, I AM only interested in the "internal Joshua."

We may disagree, but my job is to call all men, BROTHER.

And yeah, that's AFTER you spit in my face, step on my feet, HIT me a time or two ...

... or EIGHT, or EIGHT HUNDRED ...

... or Q, AFTER you nail me to a tree, or pierce my side, or curse me, hate me, revile me.

Christ is the ever-hated, ever-loved, ever-Loving ...

but Christ NEVER "hates."

And as for "self?"

I challenge you to show me, the (little) self of Christ.

No man, can be lessened, but standing again, and TAKING what another man has to DISH OUT.

I get knocked down, but I get up again ....

AndrewX · 04-28-2007, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

"friend"...not favorite. And the greatest compliment Kirk ever gave Spock was this "...his was the most..."human""

Yep, Spock's my favorite STAR TREK character ...