Sex and Religion... - Page 3

Nitai · 06-16-2005, 05:23 AM

Hare Krishna.

I have a small remark on your vision. If you like you can think about it.

YOU WROTE: To claim to represent God's way above all other paths is not something that will sit will here.

# Christians say: Jesus is the only way
# Muslims say: Mohamed is the last prophet, we should follow Him
# I say: My way is God's way

# but I don't say: My way or highway.
# anyway, the real question is, how to reconcile all the above statements, still accepting them to be truth.

## there are many different kind of people all over the world
## they all have particular mentality
## God takes care of them
## God gives spiritual guidance for all of them according to the people's mentality, capacity, and degree of faith
## all the ways God gives, through his messengers or Himself when He comes on this earth planet, have the same goal
## to ultimately attain purity, love of God and thus go back to the spiritual world, the abode of God

CONCLUSION:
* this would be the way of seeing the universality of all religions
* therefore, to appreciate every-ones - only way - one should see the unity in diversity as above described.
* God is kind to all; He gives guidance to all
* I appreciate the ways of all; don't worry about that

nomanshake · 06-18-2005, 03:43 AM

Well to me the basic points for one following Islam and having questions abt the right sex are:

1- Sex only when both the man and woman are married.
2- No sex between two men or two women.
"For when a man mounts on a man, the God's throne shakes"
3- No anal intercourse let it be your wife.
4- No pre-marital sex (Zina one of the biggest sins in Islam) though teenagers or fresh youths dont really care about it..
5- No sex whilst you're fasting.
6- No forced sex.
7- You are not allowed to see your wife's vagina and to me it doesnt really provide any sexual attraction, so its better not to do the sin.
8- No sex in public, even if ure with you're with your wife.

However there are two questions that I really would like to no answers about..

1- Is the usage of condoms totally accepted under Islamic grounds?

2- Is it ok to have sex whilst your wife has a swollen stomach due to pregnancy.?

PluckyAli · 06-18-2005, 11:34 AM

What the hell,Keep the conversation G-rated people's.

Nitai · 06-18-2005, 12:27 PM

Hare Krishna

I would have few more thing but please don't be offended

# If one overindulges in sex just for sense gratification that's equal with going to a prostitute.
# second class sex not for procreation is allowed once a month
# the best is that one does it after the 3,4 days of the woman's 'period' only for the purpose of procreating and not for enjoying
# The intercourse have to be done in good consciousness or with the desire to please God by begetting a child who will be religious and of good character.
# while the sexual intercourse God sends a soul into the womb of the woman
# the mother and father they only give the material body
# when sex is done just to enjoy, a soul with a similar enjoying mentality will be attracted to the womb of the mother
# such a child will create a lot of problems being of not good character and most of the time irreligious
# What I am describing here is a fact seen in nowadays society's increasing irreligious population
# people don't know this art of begetting a child with a good character
CONCLUSION: in this way sex for sense gratification is understood to be not good.

NOTE: # sex during pregnancy is not allowed; it's abominable causing distress to the child in the womb

thipps · 06-18-2005, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nomanshake

Well to me the basic points for one following Islam and having questions abt the right sex are:

7- You are not allowed to see your wife's vagina and to me it doesnt really provide any sexual attraction, so its better not to do the sin.

salaam,
this is false. please go through the thread and you will find the proof that what you are saying is based on a FABRICATED hadith. Its just something made up.
And Allaah knows best.

thipps · 06-18-2005, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitai

Hare Krishna.

I have a small remark on your vision. If you like you can think about it.

YOU WROTE: To claim to represent God's way above all other paths is not something that will sit will here.

# Christians say: Jesus is the only way
# Muslims say: Mohamed is the last prophet, we should follow Him
# I say: My way is God's way

# but I don't say: My way or highway.
# anyway, the real question is, how to reconcile all the above statements, still accepting them to be truth.

## there are many different kind of people all over the world
## they all have particular mentality
## God takes care of them
## God gives spiritual guidance for all of them according to the people's mentality, capacity, and degree of faith
## all the ways God gives, through his messengers or Himself when He comes on this earth planet, have the same goal
## to ultimately attain purity, love of God and thus go back to the spiritual world, the abode of God

CONCLUSION:
* this would be the way of seeing the universality of all religions
* therefore, to appreciate every-ones - only way - one should see the unity in diversity as above described.
* God is kind to all; He gives guidance to all
* I appreciate the ways of all; don't worry about that

H|,
Looking for universality? you want an explanation of islam's relation to other religions? here is ours:
http://www.comparative-religion.com/...ead.php?t=2182
read post #3.
And Allah knows best.

Nitai · 06-18-2005, 09:31 PM

Hare Krishna

Sorry, but I think you didn't understood what I am thinking about universality. Let me little bit develop the thought about universality. And I beg you for forgiveness in advance if there will be anything you think is offensive.

ONE GOD
# There are 'many religions'
# is that mean that there are many God's? The Muslim God, the Christian God, the Hindu God etc. etc.
# No. there is only one God with many names.
# this is universal understanding.

ONE ACTIVITY - DEVOTIONAL SERVICE
# still, even if there is one God there are many religion
# No, there is only one religion, the religion of the soul
# the only religion of the soul is loving devotional service of God
# this is the essence of all religions
# to agree with this is atheism

ONE GOAL - PURIFICATION
# Yes, but we can see different rituals of in different religions, so obviously there are different religions, although the essence is the same
# different rituals are there only to help the support the essence of religion - loving devotional service to God.
# according to different mentalities of people the religious teachers gave different rituals that help the people to become purified
# People should not fight which rituals are better - Muslim, christian Hindu or whatever - because all the rituals have the same goal.
# so, purification of existence is again universal

DESIGNATIONS - GOD AND RELIGIONS
# OK, there is one God. Is He Hindu, Muslim or Christian
# Neither of them,
# He is above all material designations, He is pure and transcendental

# The Vedas say, there are many universes, so many like the number of mustard seeds in a big bag - countless.
# In each universes there are many planets
# everywhere there are living entities with their particular religion
# all the material designations to those religions belong only to the material world
# whoever accepts material designations like Hindu, Muslim, christian etc will immediately be in duality of illusion
# that will result in fight, quarrell, etc.
# History proofs the Vedic statement to be truth.
# the pure religion of the soul is called - the 'transcendental loving service to God'
# It is the eternal loving activity for the pleasure of God
# and it is unifying for all those souls who like to please God
# the proof of loving God is the cooperation of people to serve God
# this could be attained only when people would give up their material designation "I am Hindu", I am Muslim", "I am Christian".
# Such existence without material designation is the transcendental existence where pure loving service to God can begin.

OK, there are more points but maybe next time. Salam alekum my brother.

PluckyAli · 06-18-2005, 10:29 PM

Hare raam and hare krishna.
Natai,
If you could stop writing in points,maybe i can have some discussion with you.

Nitai · 06-19-2005, 04:59 AM

Hare Krishna, brother

Can you explain why should I stop write in points?
You don't like any or something else.
Actually, I like to more discuss only philosophy then to show up with some feelings in my writing. It's my stile, difficult to change. But anyway all the best just try to develop your love for God. And that you know whether you are advancing would recommend to you to find somewhere the symptoms of love of God. How much those symptoms appear so much ones love is developed. Success.

PluckyAli · 06-19-2005, 09:36 PM

Hare kirshna,brother(assuming).

What i know is a point should be complete.It should have minimum relation with the previous point.But your point seem to be incomplete if we don't read the previous point.Let's look at eg.

Quote:

# whoever accepts material designations like Hindu, Muslim, christian etc will immediately be in duality of illusion
# that will result in fight, quarrell, etc.

I mean this is just single point,you made it two points.I don't have prob reading points but reading points like this is annoying.Btw use 1,2,3..instead of # and quote other ppl msg by using quotation tags,Finally pardon me for excessive criticization,as i am only being honest with you.

If your writing in points your each point should be complete in it's own context.

Nitai · 06-21-2005, 08:32 PM

Hare Krishna

Hare are some jewels of wisdom about sex and spirituality.

1) "When one becomes detestful to sex life, that is the beginning of spiritual life. That is the beginning of spiritual life."

2) Don't (play) or dally with the opposite sex, (even if it is your service to deal with them, try to minimize it) . Rupa Goswami says - Pure devotees don't waste their time, they always are cautious to make sure they are always engaged positively in service of God.

3) If one is determined not to indulge unnecessarily in sex, he can automatically conquer lusty desires and quickly progress toward love of God. The example given in this regard is that even if one is hungry, if on a particular day he is determined to observe fasting, he can naturally conquer the disturbances of hunger and thirst. If one is determined not to be envious of anyone, he can naturally conquer anger. Similarly, one can give up the desire to accumulate wealth simply by considering how difficult it is to protect the money in one's possession. If one keeps a large amount of cash with him, he is always anxious about keeping it properly. Thus if one discusses the disadvantages of accumulating wealth, he can naturally give up business without difficulty.

Amica · 06-27-2005, 05:12 AM

Salaam/peace

I personally believe that being 'gay' or homosexual/bisexual is largely socially influenced that becomes a psychological issue. However, I do not know much about the biology of homosexuals/bisexuals (brain stuff) in order to totally support my belief with a scientific proof.

But, there is one distinction that should be made between being disabled and being homosexual. Allah Almighty tells us in the Bible and the Qur'an that homosexuallity is detestable to Him and deserves punishment. Being disabled does not follow with a punishment, unless the disabled person perhaps does something against the commandments of God Almighty.

To me, it sounds that from the Holy Books the homosexuality is rather perceived as a conscious choice/path one chooses, just like one may choose to commit murder when it is against God's Law.

Each of us is part of our societies. Our parents and people around us play big part about how we might turn out to be. There are people who are homosexuals with a sexual abuse in their past. A lesbian woman may desire to be in a role of a man socially, and may desire to enjoy something from her own sex that she may perceive that she lacks? I don't know. Parents may influence their children's thinking if they express desire to give birth to a child of a certain sex. Some psychologists say that 'homosexual' tendencies and thoughts of perceiving oneself/desiring to be of the opposite sex are fairly common in young children under the age of 6 or 7. They say that during those years the children are usually closer to their friends of the same sex. Whether they start immitating adults by approching the friends in certain ways that make them develop homosexual tendencies might be possible. I don't know. But I think to label homosexuality as something similar to disability must be first proven with science to have biological roots. I am interested in psychology so

if anyone has anything on this topic, let me know

Nitai · 06-27-2005, 05:48 AM

Hare Krishna

I don't know much about this phenomena you are interested, but to be lesbian or a gay is explained to be because of the unfortunate combination of a mindset and body, namely one can have a body of a woman and have a mindset of a man or have a body of a man but have a mindset of a woman. Ultimately we are not this body and mind but the soul. This have to be strongly realized by some spiritual process. We Hare Krishna devotees do that by chanting the Hare Krishna mantra. (I am not saying that all the Hare Krishna devotees are having mixed nature). Anyway, if you like to read about this subject matter here is one interesting link http://www.galva108.org/modernbio.html