smoking

[mee]

[quote=17th Angel;123318]You don't $"%"£$%" know that though lol! YOU HOPE that is what will happen lol... You do not, do not, know that


JOHN 17;17
your word is truth

(John 6:68) Simon Peter answered him: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life;

[17th Angel]

lol........ I can post quotes of "truth" from a good source too... A minister.... An INFORMATION minister...... Of Iraq! All true comments...

"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

"My feelings - as usual - we will slaughter them all"

"Our initial assessment is that they will all die"

"I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the Americans!"

"God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis."

'We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."

"Surrender or be burned in their tanks."

"No I am not scared and neither should you be!"

"We have them surrounded in their tanks"

Britain "is not worth an old shoe."

Of U.S. troops: "They are most welcome. We will butcher them."

"We will welcome them with bullets and shoes."

"Washington has thrown their soldiers on the fire"

"These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying"

"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion."

"They do not even have control over themselves! Do not believe them!"

"Faltering forces of infidels cannot just enter a country of 26 million people and lay besiege to them! They are the ones who will find themselves under siege. Therefore, in reality whatever this miserable Rumsfeld has been saying, he was talking about his own forces. Now even the American command is under siege."

"They tried to bring a small number of tanks and personnel carriers in through al-Durah but they were surrounded and most of their infidels had their throats cut."

"We made them drink poison last night and Saddam Hussein's soldiers and his great forces gave the Americans a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly."

"On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The operation continues"
"We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted."

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

Yes, I am listening...two questions...

A number of religions and denominations consider committing suicide a sin. So what is the JW take on that....if you know that smoking cigarettes will take your life prematurely...is that suicide and a mortal sin?

Second, if not do you think that one will be coughing and hacking for all eternity? I mean isn't your concept that we will not have these earthly issues? So if so, and I enjoy a smoke....what's not to like?

JW dont smoke, we feel it goes against bible princibles.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by mee

JW dont smoke, we feel it goes against bible princibles.

He was asking about suicides..... Your view? Oh let's have a cut and paste from the watchtower!! OH! DO LET'S!

[mee]

[quote=17th Angel;123368]lol........ I can post quotes of "truth" from a good source too... A minister.... An INFORMATION minister...... Of Iraq! All true comments...

quote]
i know whos sayings i prefer.(John 6:68) Simon Peter answered him: "Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life;
(Hebrews 4:12) For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart.

[mee]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

He was asking about suicides..... Your view? Oh let's have a cut and paste from the watchtower!! OH! DO LET'S!

if you must i could even start on the AWAKE MAG
"The Bible’s Viewpoint: Suicides—A Resurrection?" .....(Awake September 8, 1990)
Only God can fully understand the role of mental sickness, extreme stress, even genetic defects, in a "suicidal crisis,"

[mee]

If you want to serve God, and are trying to give up smoking , pray for help. Our loving Creator can provide "help at the right time" for those who are striving to bring their lives into harmony with his will. (Hebrews 4:16) But don’t expect a miracle. You must act in harmony with your prayers. BEST TO PRAY WHEN YOU CRAVE THE CIG , not after you have had one .

[paul]

I think you can learn much reading certain books.
But can harm yourself and others so much by smoking.

I use to smoke.
I suppose I gave up by trying to better myself.
By praying and studying the Bible and reading the early Church fathers.

I started to care about my health, and eat healthy and exercise.

I suppose even wanting to have self control.

I suppose you could think about the effects it can have on others, which I have to be honest, I didn't have, and wasn't what motivated me to give up smoking, these thinks didn't enter my mind.

But you could think how any disease you may develope from it may effect your loved ones.

I saw a video on youtube not long ago, thorugh the eyes of the children of a woman who had cancer.

I think it's very wrong to smoke around any one else, you don't know what you could do to them by passive smoking.
I never gave this any thought though when I use to smoke.
But you have these new laws today, which may force on us that consideration, I at least hope so, and think the governement has done some good with these new laws.

I'd like to see the age limit go up a year every year.
It would become ilegal then for the next generation to smoke and for cigarettes to be sold gradually, without making people who already smoke criminals.

For surely none of us want anybody to start smoking do we?

[Eclectic Mystic]

I know this is contraversial but this is what I think:

Cigarettes are NOT addicting. If you want to quit, just quit. Don't buy into this propaganda that they're hard to quit. Sure, people develope a TOLERANCE to nicotine, and if they suddenly stop they'll go through physical withdrawal, but isn't that no worse than having a cold for 3 days? I mean, come. on.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Eclectic Mystic

I know this is contraversial but this is what I think:

Cigarettes are NOT addicting. If you want to quit, just quit. Don't buy into this propaganda that they're hard to quit. Sure, people develope a TOLERANCE to nicotine, and if they suddenly stop they'll go through physical withdrawal, but isn't that no worse than having a cold for 3 days? I mean, come. on.

Was this how it was when you quit then?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Eclectic Mystic

Sure, people develope a TOLERANCE to nicotine, and if they suddenly stop they'll go through physical withdrawal, but isn't that no worse than having a cold for 3 days? I mean, come. on.

Cigarettes have been compared to heroin when it comes to breaking the habit...not as addictive, not as bad of withdrawals but as hard a habit to break..partially because they are socially acceptable and when you quit everywhere you look folks are smoking...

People do not develop a TOLERANCE to nicotine. Our body requires nicotine, and it naturally produces nicotine. When you smoke cigarettes our body knows that it does not have to produce nicotine and that function of the organ shuts down after time. It takes a while to restart production and properly adjust nicotine levels when we quit smoking, that is the withdrawal issue. But due to the social issues many folks spend the rest of their lives, not with a craving, but a desire to just have another smoke, during stress, after sex, after a meal, while drinking, while driving...all those times they used to smoke, all those memories.

It isn't easy, it can be done, and how difficult it is varies from person to person...

[Eclectic Mystic]

"Blah, blah, blah, blah."

[mee]

Originally Posted by Eclectic Mystic

I know this is contraversial but this is what I think:

Cigarettes are NOT addicting. If you want to quit, just quit. Don't buy into this propaganda that they're hard to quit. Sure, people develope a TOLERANCE to nicotine, and if they suddenly stop they'll go through physical withdrawal, but isn't that no worse than having a cold for 3 days? I mean, come. on.

have you ever been a slave to smoking ,to know what it is like to be addicted? i havent myself ,but i know people who have been addicted and it is not a good thing to go through when trying to give up, so i dont think it is as easy as you make out, but who am i to say , as i havent been there

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

Cigarettes have been compared to heroin when it comes to breaking the habit...not as addictive, not as bad of withdrawals but as hard a habit to break..partially because they are socially acceptable and when you quit everywhere you look folks are smoking...

People do not develop a TOLERANCE to nicotine. Our body requires nicotine, and it naturally produces nicotine. When you smoke cigarettes our body knows that it does not have to produce nicotine and that function of the organ shuts down after time. It takes a while to restart production and properly adjust nicotine levels when we quit smoking, that is the withdrawal issue. But due to the social issues many folks spend the rest of their lives, not with a craving, but a desire to just have another smoke, during stress, after sex, after a meal, while drinking, while driving...all those times they used to smoke, all those memories.

It isn't easy, it can be done, and how difficult it is varies from person to person...

I was talking to my brother-in-law the other day ,and he has just got over a heart attack ,he has always been a very heavy smoker, the docs have told him that if he smokes again he will not be here for much longer, so he has not had a cig in about a month now, but it is as you mentioned, the habit forming things that he has done for years, like having a meal and straight after lighting up , it must be hard to change a lifetime of doing things .

[wil]

Originally Posted by Eclectic Mystic

I know this is contraversial but this is what I think:

Cigarettes are NOT addicting. If you want to quit, just quit. Don't buy into this propaganda that they're hard to quit. Sure, people develope a TOLERANCE to nicotine, and if they suddenly stop they'll go through physical withdrawal, but isn't that no worse than having a cold for 3 days? I mean, come. on.

Originally Posted by Eclectic Mystic

"Blah, blah, blah, blah."

The eclectic part I am beginning to understand...the mystic part is starting to be confusing. Your knowledge of science, your compassionate abilities, and your ability to carry a discussion are well....eclectic.