so when a saved person goes to heaven - Page 2

shadowman · 10-05-2006, 02:26 AM

yea im not making that choice. so he doesnt forgive me or love me. according to those rules. i dont like those rules. i know it seems simple to you. and im sure the promise of heaven makes the spirit of god feel quite real.

i dont like the idea of shutting off functions of my thought in order to beleive something that doesnt seem reasonable to me. i dont like that god ****s with our heads and wants to torment those in his "perfectly just glory" and im not moved by "oh hes so good, he gave us jesus, look how much he loves us" he also gave us hell and damnation

comparing him to a human judge is bad, human justice is terrible. criminals should be rehabilitated.

and even if human justice was right, listing how unmercifully god punishes abosultely every transgression does not make me think hes so greatly divinely perfectly just, it makes me think he is a sicko. leave that bs to human justice

shadowman · 10-05-2006, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dor

Stay of the world and live the fun sex, booze and all for myself life for 70-100 yrs and die.
Live for him and live with him forever with everything.

Easy choice. Yep I am baffled why anyone would choose to die.

because they dont think thats the choice they are making. they dont go along with it. its ridiculous. its criminal. its something the villain would do. yyeah you wouldnt chose todie. but why the **** would god give you such a MESSED UP CHOICE. BECAUSE HE LOVES YOU? im not convinced

and no, i dont want to live for the fun and sex. i had a one night stand, it was ok. now i want long term/marriage... i stopped smoking weed. i drink occasionally a glass or two of wine or beer. i beleive we should love each other and help humanity.

Faithfulservant · 10-05-2006, 02:32 AM

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the side of the god that doesnt damn you when you fall out of love with him

God is a Just and Righteous God.. Let me try to explain it to you..

You were driving your car.. and ran through a School Zone going 95 mph.. You went to court and the Judge found you guilty of being a danger to yourself and the children using the crosswalks.. Do you tell the judge .. "you cant punish me for speeding because you are a Good and loving judge!" No.. that doesnt make sense...because He is a good and loving judge you cannot convince Him to change his decision...you are guilty of a crime...

Then imagine a man walks in.. and pays the fine for you and the judge turns to you and says "You may leave... This man paid the price for your crime.. your record is clean."

Does that sound like someone that damns you? Sounds pretty merciful to me. God came to earth in the flesh and paid the price for you so you wouldnt be damned.... Go figure.

shadowman · 10-05-2006, 02:35 AM

yeah that is what some people think that parts of the bible mean = result of my figuring

shadowman · 10-05-2006, 02:37 AM

people like to say god is above human law, yet he operates on the smae dynamic? DYNAMIC IS NOT THE SAME AS "OUT COME IF YOU BELEIVE A CERTAIN THING"

Faithfulservant · 10-05-2006, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

people like to say god is above human law, yet he operates on the smae dynamic? DYNAMIC IS NOT THE SAME AS "OUT COME IF YOU BELEIVE A CERTAIN THING"

Gods law is human law.. but how do you think we learned what is just and right and good... God put the law into each and every one of our hearts to convict us...

Faithfulservant · 10-05-2006, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

yeah that is what some people think that parts of the bible mean = result of my figuring

God blessed us with a brain and common sense.. use it

Jesus taught in parables so you would seek out the meaning of His words.. Its the same concept.

shadowman · 10-05-2006, 02:47 AM

"Gods law is human law.. but how do you think we learned what is just and right and good... God put the law into each and every one of our hearts to convict us..."

the heathens managed to get a few things right in that regard too huh? gota give credit where credit is due.

shadowman · 10-05-2006, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

God blessed us with a brain and common sense.. use it

Jesus taught in parables so you would seek out the meaning of His words.. Its the same concept.

lol

have you read my thread "thoughts on mind prayer and faith"

what do you know about free word/feeling association on the cocept of jesus?

Faithfulservant · 10-05-2006, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

lol

have you read my thread "thoughts on mind prayer and faith"

what do you know about free word/feeling association on the cocept of jesus?

I think that God will make foolish those that think themselves wise.

shadowman · 10-05-2006, 03:04 AM

ok, but how much are we allowed to use our brains?

and i never said i was wise. i dont really know anything. i know thats what a "wise person would say"

but i still beleive it.

maybe its not what a wise person would say. any way. i used my brain to come up with that. i bassed it off of other people who used their brain as well as my own experience.

Pico · 10-05-2006, 05:07 AM

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Or is it: "I assure you today, you will be with me in paradise." ?

Chris

In every translation I've checked (not all of them though), the comma comes before "today"

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...3;&version=31;

Check yourself

China Cat Sunflower · 10-05-2006, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pico

In every translation I've checked (not all of them though), the comma comes before "today"

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...3;&version=31;

Check yourself

It doesn't really matter does it? I mean, if you die and wait in the grave, as far as you know no time elapses anyway.

Chris

mee · 10-05-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

do they mourn their comrades in hell?

does god make them forget?

or is the rapture of heaven so great that they no longer care?

or maybe they view the people in hell as their enemy in anticipation of armegeddon?

the only reason that a little flock of 144,000 will be going to heaven ,is to serve with their king Jesus christ in the heavenly kingdom goverment, Daniel 2;44and they will be serving as kings and preists, when Jesus was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment in 1914 he soon after started to resurrect those ones asleep in death , and they are now busy doing their roles with Jesus christ. so they are to busy to be interested about false doctrines should as litral hellfire.

Faithfulservant · 10-06-2006, 03:10 AM

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ok, but how much are we allowed to use our brains?

and i never said i was wise. i dont really know anything. i know thats what a "wise person would say"

but i still beleive it.

maybe its not what a wise person would say. any way. i used my brain to come up with that. i bassed it off of other people who used their brain as well as my own experience.

God gave us the bible.. If you were smart.. you would read it.. thats my take on it.