so when a saved person goes to heaven

[Dor]

Originally Posted by mee

the only reason that a little flock of 144,000 will be going to heaven ,is to serve with their king Jesus christ in the heavenly kingdom goverment, Daniel 2;44and they will be serving as kings and preists, when Jesus was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment in 1914 he soon after started to resurrect those ones asleep in death , and they are now busy doing their roles with Jesus christ. so they are to busy to be interested about false doctrines should as litral hellfire.

Is that from the Bible???

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by mee

the only reason that a little flock of 144,000 will be going to heaven ,is to serve with their king Jesus christ in the heavenly kingdom goverment, Daniel 2;44and they will be serving as kings and preists, when Jesus was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment in 1914 he soon after started to resurrect those ones asleep in death , and they are now busy doing their roles with Jesus christ. so they are to busy to be interested about false doctrines should as litral hellfire.

Wow.. Your god has limited your people to 144,000? Im sorry.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Wow.. Your god has limited your people to 144,000? Im sorry.

All the numbers in revelation are figurative and symbolic, not litteral. 144 is 12 (12 tribes of israel) squared, and the fact it's in thousands represents a whole lot of people.

So it means something like all of God's children (Israel is refered to God's Child, and also the people who belong to him.)

Revelation is Apocalyptic writing.

[shadowman]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

God gave us the bible.. If you were smart.. you would read it.. thats my take on it.

i wasnt there when he gave it to us.

and i do read it.

another question.

when is the bible being symbolic and when is it not?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dor

Is that from the Bible???

i am not wise enough to make up stories so i always stick to the bible and what it teaches .
Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years." revelation 20;6
Those who sit on the heavenly thrones and to whom the "power of judging" is given take part in what the apostle John calls "the first resurrection." The word "first" distinguishes their resurrection from that of the rest of mankind.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Wow.. Your god has limited your people to 144,000? Im sorry.

not according to the bible taking in accurate knowledge works wonders to our understanding of Gods purpose for the heavenly goverment , Daniel 2;44 and the earth. 2 peter 3;13

[mee]

Of Christ, it is said: "With your blood you bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth." (Rev. 5:9, 10) This kingdom is to rule the earth for a thousand years to bring the inhabitants of earth into proper relationship with God.—Rev. 20:4-6...............and yes this kingdom is in heaven , it is all set up in the heavens Daniel 2;44 .it was established and born in 1914 inline with bible prophecy and chronology , and the limited number of 144,000 are ruling with Jesus christ, but first they would have to die and then be resurrected by Jesus christ . yes its all happening in this the time of the end.

[Student1975]

mee,

Notice how your belief clinges on a few symbolic verses. Wouldnt you rather read the New Testament as a brother or sister of Paul?

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by shadowman

i wasnt there when he gave it to us.

and i do read it.

another question.

when is the bible being symbolic and when is it not?

Shadow you seem to already know that every word is symbolic. Not just the bible... every word ever spoken in time is just a symbol. The symbols that I find golden are the ones where people are not able to alter so easily. For example,

Matthew 6:19-21 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

So with a few symbols from Jesus (pbuh), the JW and alledged born again Christians are revealed as blind and speaking of desires rather than the reality Jesus (pbuh) described. You see, this is a world where moth and rust corrupts, so this is not heaven. Earth might be debated, but today even after the alledged 1914, nobody is able to prevent moth or rust from corrupting. So if you find yourself in a place where moth and rust does not destroy then you might be in heaven. As I read the symbols, according to Jesus (pbuh) this is not it.

So when it comes to symbols, I prefer the ones that people do not corrupt.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Pico

All the numbers in revelation are figurative and symbolic, not litteral. 144 is 12 (12 tribes of israel) squared, and the fact it's in thousands represents a whole lot of people.

So it means something like all of God's children (Israel is refered to God's Child, and also the people who belong to him.)

Revelation is Apocalyptic writing.

I take my bible literally..its 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel.. they will be virgins and take up the sword of truth.. I dont know what you God believes.. I just trust mine. They will ALL be Jewish.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by mee

not according to the bible taking in accurate knowledge works wonders to our understanding of Gods purpose for the heavenly goverment , Daniel 2;44 and the earth. 2 peter 3;13

Im sorry but you and I dont have the same bibles and we dont share the same God. I cant see what you truth.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Wow.. Your god has limited your people to 144,000? Im sorry.

As I understand it 144k will be rulers in heaven, this remainder of those that make it servants? But I still don't understand why they still knock on doors to decrease the likelyhood they are one of the 144k...guess that is dedication.

Of course I think it is all the same G-d, and I also think none of us will truly know until we get there. With all the folks who claim they know, and all the folks who claim they've had an experience with the divine, and all the varied accounts and explanations for what is and what will be...it appears they can't all be right, but I think they can't all be wrong either.

What we need is respect for others beliefs, which includes not foisting ours down their throats (he says with the plunger of love in his hand)

[mee]

Originally Posted by Student1975

mee,

Notice how your belief clinges on a few symbolic verses. Wouldnt you rather read the New Testament as a brother or sister of Paul?

i like to read the whole of the bible as it harmonizes throughout.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I take my bible literally..its 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel.. they will be virgins and take up the sword of truth.. I dont know what you God believes.. I just trust mine. They will ALL be Jewish.

they are virgins in a spiritual sense, they have not adultarated themselves with false teachings ,they are pure and faithful to the teachings of the bible.
These are the ones that did not defile themselves with women; in fact, they are virgins. These are the ones that keep following the Lamb no matter where he goes. These were bought from among mankind as firstfruits to God and to the Lamb, 5 and no falsehood was found in their mouths; they are without blemish. revelation 14;4-5 yes ,no false religous teachings are found in them. they speak only truths. they are the bride of christ and they are not immoral in a spiritual sense, they are virgins.
They keep themselves undefiled by Satan’s world and remain doctrinally and morally pure.
Even as the high priest in Israel could take only a virgin as his wife (Le 21:10, 13, 14; compare Eze 44:22), so the great High Priest, Jesus Christ, must have only a "virgin" as his spiritual "bride" in heaven
when it says they did not defile themselves with women. this does not mean that they are all males , a woman in the bible can refer to other things such as Babylon the great, this worldwide harlot is the world empire of false religion

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

As I understand it 144k will be rulers in heaven, this remainder of those that make it servants? But I still don't understand why they still knock on doors to decrease the likelyhood they are one of the 144k...guess that is dedication.

Of course I think it is all the same G-d, and I also think none of us will truly know until we get there. With all the folks who claim they know, and all the folks who claim they've had an experience with the divine, and all the varied accounts and explanations for what is and what will be...it appears they can't all be right, but I think they can't all be wrong either.

What we need is respect for others beliefs, which includes not foisting ours down their throats (he says with the plunger of love in his hand)

yes you are right to say that only a little flock of 144,000 will be going to heaven .
"Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom."—LUKE 12:32.
but now is the time that the( other sheep) are being gathered ,
And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd JOHN 10;16

they are spoken of in the book of revelation after the 144,000 are listed.
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb." revelation 7;9-10
Those of the other sheep gathered in the time of the end will make up the "great crowd" destined to survive "the great tribulation," with the prospect of living forever on a paradise earth