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More political reasons behind the raising food price.

World Bank `Destroyed Basic Grains' in Honduras

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Turn paradise into hell for the sake of international trade.


U.S. Rice Lobby Backs Japanese Plan to Export Rice


“Tom Slayton, a former U.S. agricultural attaché to Thailand and now an analyst, said the release of stocks from Japan could have a significant effect on prices.

``Firstly, it could help prick the bubble in the market and bring prices down,'' he said. ``Secondly, the longer the bubble goes on the more tempting it is for countries to turn away from international trade and build up their own stocks and supplies which would be very damaging in the longer term.''

Earlier today, the benchmark price for rice exported from Thailand, the world's biggest supplier, breached $1,000 a metric ton for the first time as importers rushed to secure supplies. On the Chicago Board of Trade, rice for July delivery fell 0.75 cent today, or 3.4 percent, to 21.49 cents a pound.”



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[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by greymare

my friend , if someone has looked at me and raped me (IN THEIR MIND ONLY< NOT ACTUALLY) then that is their business. I cannot control what others think. You might think that this is a bit niave. Lustful thoughts are just that, lustful and thoughts, not necessarily actions. i have lustful thoughts regularly but I dont action them. most people dont. its called self control .

First thing that i said both man and woman have to play part in it. okay. Man is also doing sin, but a woman should not become so much open in their clothes to invite them for a sin. Why then parents stop children to go to porn sites ??? isnt they should have free will??? if just guess you come totally naked in the streets what then you will say its free will??? talk about majority not minority. Other thing just choose option in the example which i gave about two sister one please okay choose one ....

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

I mean the free will choice of said faith... I am happy to be where I am, and I am more than happy to tell others of my faith... Sweet.... That to me is the true way live by example...... But to force your faith upon another or be blind to the fact that perhaps others may see it in a totally different light, a different way is the wrong way to roll. Demand by example....... So let's all try and live by example.... It takes everyone time brother.... Look at it like this...

Say there is a woman that is coming to Islam, but doesn't wear a hijab.... What do you see in that statement?




You read the statement? I bet you focused on the minor hijab fact? Not the fact that this woman is wanting to learn a way of peace.....? Make sense?

i will have same reply i have given to greymare

[islamis4u]

I mean the free will choice of said faith... I am happy to be where I am, and I am more than happy to tell others of my faith... Sweet.... That to me is the true way live by example...... But to force your faith upon another or be blind to the fact that perhaps others may see it in a totally different light, a different way is the wrong way to roll. Demand by example....... So let's all try and live by example.... It takes everyone time brother.... Look at it like this...

You are right that a muslim should lead by example, but what does Qu'ran says about it also, one thing which Allah SWT made compulsory and Fardh for every Muslim Woman then it is fardh otherwise she is committing a sin. Now i can't go and enforce her to wear hijab, yes that is rightl. Now if we talk about Complete Islamic state then i will have to say that it Islamic State have a right to enforce a women to when she comes out on roads or open she should wear a hijab, Its in Islamic Shariah is brother, so if we implemented it is also implemented, but i also know their is no place right now in this world which have islamic shariah completely on a state. So now who can compel her, Islam says her brother, sister, her mother, father, son , daughter and husband. And every person told above have different limitations how far they can go to compel, this does not mean that you pick up a stick and start beating her but by look you can say that i will not give you pocket money and things liked that okay brother, adn one more thing brother, this not one way both ways it is that if her husband is not doing something islam have said it fardh she can also em force him to do that , i will not like to tell all the ways it will be not nice but you know how can his wife can do so.

Say there is a woman that is coming to Islam, but doesn't wear a hijab.... What do you see in that statement?

She is most welcomed. I don't know if you are Muslim or not if you are then brother you know you can not become Muslim by just saying the kalima and say look im Muslim no brother a Muslim is who who submits his or her will to Allah SWT and by heart she believes that i will have to obey what ever Allah SWT have made compulsory for me to do. So Allah SWT have made it comulsory in surah Ahzab in QU'ran Brother, if she doubts any single verse in the Qu'ran she Doubts Naouzbillah Allah SWT ultimately. Now second step if she thinks okay im Muslim and still do not wear hijab and she agrees that she is committing sin then what ever i said above to you in reply to your first para that implies on her. If she says no it is not Fardh then she is not a Muslim why because she Doubts in Qu'ran and then in What i told you.

You read the statement? I bet you focused on the minor hijab fact? Not the fact that this woman is wanting to learn a way of peace.....? Make sense?

Now brother look i do not know what we will answer to Allah SWT at the Day of Judgment that we did not wear Hijab cuz i had a free will of choice, if this answer is a good one then i have nothing to say. Now coming to other thing look brother when you go in army you are said to wear a particular uniform if you don't we will be kicked out if you say them i have free will to wear what ever i wear they will say good bye to you for money we can sacrifice our will of choice but for Allah SWT we can't sacrifice our will that what dress code my Allah gave to me i will wear. That will become choice ? thats funny for money wow. Now army is more harsh you will have to wear particular color but what is free will i tell you look islams look what ever you what ever a Muslim woman can wear but look you can go this much far not beyond it. You can wear which ever color which ever type of print which ever type of clothes but it should be in accord to limits prescribed about it in Islam. One thing more Islam only says that you should be dressed liked that in only when you come infront of a strange man, otherwise you are free that hijab also. strange man means people other then father , son, brother and Husband. If their is no man then she can wear what ever in front woman.
Now coming on environment brother if you be practical if boy is surrounded by almost 3 beautiful naked gurls can he have self control okay he can but how much time he can? be practical okay not words. Now this a disease which will not attack spontaneously it will attack slowly like if you are surrounded by many germs you they slowly slowly attack you and have slow affect now. Look if gurls moves naked on road you will say okay let her ran she do not have any affect on you , but you will say look she should cover atleast her private parts i will say why she has a free will to wear it you will say not she should be modest your level of modesty is her and Islam has higher level of modesty. Allah SWT knows what is best to do not we.

Last thing if some one sees a woman then man has also to be blamed and committing sin what ever gurl wears both have to be modest to have a nice environment.


you know brother i wrote it again cuz i wrote doubled the size of this one but it was erased by mistake so it takes time.

[islamis4u]

Well that is what you say. But why should I agree with you? Do you live in the U.S.? Do you live in a Western country? I may not live in the U.S., but I do live in a Western country. I know what it's like to live in one.

OOOh im so foolish na that i dun't live their and talking about USA wow thats bad na.....But you are also not american sir???? You have a big ocean apart from you each other. How do you come to know that their are so-called terrorists in afghanistan, iraq or Pakistan? isnt that unusual i live their their is non i say so you dun't so you have to believe me.....

To me it makes sense. I don't hear stories about people getting raped when I am eavesdropping on their conversations and gossip. If there was enough rape happening, I would hear about it from at least somewhere. Sooner or later I'd hear the word "rape" mentioned among the people I see around me. I'd listen, tune in and eavesdrop on their conversation and think, this is not good. I will think, this should not be happening in my country, in my neighbourhood. But I rarely hear about it.

What I was saying was that, even if a woman was raped every 32 seconds, it would only have been enough to affect only 1% of the population. That is the case whether or not a woman is raped once or multiple times in a year. According to the mathematics, the time interval you specified (32 seconds) is not small enough to make it a problem that affects 99% of the population in a year. I have to say then, that rape is very uncommon in the U.S. So 99% of the female population doesn't need your religious teachings because they are not being raped. According to the mathematics, you'd be wrong to say that most of them are like that. No, most of them are not like that.

I can understand you like saying that most of them are like that, but even if you believed that, do you live in a Western country, let alone the U.S.? If not, how could you possibly know? Where do you get this information about the society in which I live? Do you get it from your religious leaders? Do you get it from the newspaper and television? Do you get it from your family and friends?

Are your sources reliable enough to say that most of them are like that? And....I have already shown how, based on your statement that a woman was raped every 32 seconds, it would only affect 1% of the women in the population. So even the information you have stated implies that only 1% of the women are being raped in a year.

You can't trust your religious leaders, because most of them have either never been to the U.S. or other Western countries, and even if they did, never really interacted enough with the general population to know them well enough to have accurate perceptions about them. They mingle with Muslims in that country, but not the general population. Religious leaders of Abrahamic traditions, particularly those of Islam and Christianity, often cook up wild, outrageous, sensationalist stories about how the rest, the so-called "heathen population" is behaving. But whatever corrupt mindset they think the "heathen" possess, most of it is untrue. These religious leaders want to make your/our religion look good, so they brag about how your/our religion's teachings have helped us become better people. But most of it is propaganda and sensationalism. So you can't trust your religious leaders when they say the U.S. is the rape capital of the world. They are deceiving you, even though they might think that they are telling you the truth. They want you to think that so that you think that that is the reason why you will continue to adhere to whatever tradition it is you follow. That's because they actually believe that stuff themselves.

So what if you got it from a newspaper? Well, then we ask the journalist who wrote the article. Do they live in the U.S.? Same argument as before. It's just propaganda and sensationalism. The journalist doesn't really know the American people. So what if you got it from your family and friends? Same argument again. They never went to the U.S.

So when people say most of them are like that they are talking about beliefs that they got that came from unreliable sources. They say that because they want to believe that. They are talking about a people they never knew. A lot of Muslims and Christians want to believe that the so-called "heathen" are romping away their lives in lustful orgies. But if you actually visit that country, that society, that culture, that community, you will find that it just doesn't happen. They may not follow your/our religious traditions but very often the society and culture itself has its own values and teachings and these values and teachings train people how to behave. But you wouldn't know that because you haven't actually lived long enough in the U.S. to really know what values people have over there.

I believe there are much better reasons to follow a tradition than talking about how often people are raped, particularly if you live in a society where rape only happens to less than 1% of the population, based on the information that you have given!!!

ooohoooo my friend laugh sorry to say very very bad, you just compelled me to do so sorry REPORTS SAYS, non of the sites are from Muslims or from Muslim country okay i will be showing you Australia have third highest rape rate in the world and it is on Australian site okay, my country is not their meaning its very very very small. Its facts are from CIA, Now about america we can from eministy
Sexual Assault Statistics


USA: Authorities fail to protect Indigenous women from shocking ...


NationMaster - Rapes (per capita) (most recent) by country

i feel sorry for you brother now see it by your own eyes.
and what about 80% loss of virginity before marriage in America woooww.....

People are not always taught right and wrong by religion. Very often, they already know what is right and wrong because their parents, friends, the news or society as a whole tells them it's wrong. People see rape as wrong. They see adultery as wrong. They see lying as wrong. They see murder as wrong. They see all these things as wrong because the people around them hate it. Apart from labelling these things as wrong, society often teaches people other things to discourage bad behaviour. So no, religious teachings are not always necessary for good behaviour. I say that even though I have a religious background and religious beliefs.

I will deal this with you if you tell me your religion or you are atheist ???

I didn't mention your other points. This doesn't mean I agreed with them. Maybe I just thought they were unimportant or just didn't care about them.

i know when you do not have answers this happens never mind.

I agree that saying rape is wrong isn't good enough. But a society or culture often has values, teachings and traditions that discourage rape. You don't need values or teachings that are divine or religious to discourage rape. I can formulate a philosophy for discouraging people from raping. If people like that philosophy, and if I know how to shape society to reduce the rate of rape, the rate at which crimes happen, then the rate of at which crime and rape happens will decrease. Western societies achieve this by giving people jobs, careers, computers, playstations, television, movies, candy, tasty food and other toys to play with and enjoy so that they have better things to think and dream about than raping women, stealing, murdering and robbing banks.

That's right. You don't always have to give people a religion to get them to behave. Sometimes all you need is some toys and candy for them to enjoy. If people have more toys to play with and more candy to eat, the crime rate will drop. This is the toys and candy society.

I JUST WANT TO LAUGH.... what you say in other post you said sex a source of enjoyment na..... now you come with candy, okay girls are so low rated they are candy for thats bad gurls should respectable person for it should not a object to fulfill sexual desires.... Islam give them right place... okay see your words.......

[islamis4u]

i think as their are no replies here so it seems like whom ever i replied to this topic last do not know the answer and what ever im supporting is right.... that is what im saying from no response.....

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

i think as their are no replies here so it seems like whom ever i replied to this topic last do not know the answer and what ever im supporting is right.... that is what im saying from no response.....

Assumption... Got to love it... Also, because whom ever you replied to hasn't replied in no way confirms anywhere but in your own opinion that what you support is right.... Hint try putting the Posters name/handle when qutoing them... It may get their attention.... *rolls eyes*

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

i think as their are no replies here so it seems like whom ever i replied to this topic last do not know the answer and what ever im supporting is right.... that is what im saying from no response.....

does that mean that i'm right because you didn't respond to my last post?

metta,

~v

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

does that mean that i'm right because you didn't respond to my last post?

metta,

~v

NO! Cause you're wrong! And what I support is right! And because you didn't respond to this within my 5 second limit of time, that proves -everything-....

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

does that mean that i'm right because you didn't respond to my last post?

metta,

~v

Looks its 1 month no reply came from otherside... and you may know that im saying truth i replied your post before replying or seeing this post.... im saying i have already replied your queries in the post reply for saltmister ... and i was late because of my problems.... and i know you may say that otherone will also have the same problem its not about the reply its about the reply okay if im not right then prove me wrong and last but not least that i havn't concluded yet i posted this because to notify the person who was having discussion havn't replied for long time and if still he do not reply after this post then i have to conclude.... it upto his posts not everyone okay......... It will solve the problem of Alex P

[Courage]

Hm..it's always a self-deceit to think that the one made the last post shall be the winner.

Count the points, instead of who posts last.

[Courage]

My impression about Islam is that, more or less like Buddhism and other eastern religions, it emphazies the suppression of sin. While I speculate that religions having the tendency of suppressing sins are usually allowed to exist as a religion by God.

While sin suppressing is never the solution of salvation. Only the atonement of sins can be the solution. As a result, only Christianity is the true religion on earth.

Moreover, I am curious about how Islam views about faith.

[Vajradhara]

Namaste islamis4u,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Looks its 1 month no reply came from otherside...

i know but this is an internet chat forum and people have other things happening in their life, the conversation can always be returned to. i thought that you had indicated that you would be busy and unable to respond for a while so i wasn't worried.

and you may know that im saying truth i replied your post before replying or seeing this post.... im saying i have already replied your queries in the post reply for saltmister ...

however saltmister has different comments than mine. you and he are having a conversation and you and i are having a conversation. it is not the same conversation. my last post was #57 in this thread if you'd like to go back to it and respond when you have a chance.

and i was late because of my problems.... and i know you may say that otherone will also have the same problem its not about the reply its about the reply

please read what you wrote in the bolded part. i realize that english is a second language for you but this is very, very confusing and i don't know what you mean. i can guess what you mean since you seemed to have indicated that a lack of a reply in a timely manner indicates that the other one agrees with you. in fact, it could mean that they forgot about the conversation (most often the case) or a great many other things.

okay if im not right then prove me wrong and last but not least that i havn't concluded yet i posted this because to notify the person who was having discussion havn't replied for long time and if still he do not reply after this post then i have to conclude.... it upto his posts not everyone okay......... It will solve the problem of Alex P

that's why i asked you if you agreed with my post since you didn't respond to it. i *know* that you *don't* agree with my post .

metta,

~v

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

It will solve the problem of Alex P

What problem? You didn't even bother to reply to my post lol you just gave me a "see what greymares response was" that isn't worth replying to.