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[Bandit]

Originally Posted by mee

no i do not think they were going there to kill Jesus that was herods plot .but i do think that herod used those men to find out were Jesus was,and satan used those men to try to have jesus killed by herod .but the star does not lead them to bethlehem it draws them to Jerusalem and to Herod ,and Herod was not very happy to hear about a future king of the Jews.The star that lead them to Jerusalem seems to move !—Matthew 2:1-9.after herod dispatched those men to find the child.i dont think the star was from God, whether it was a light in the sky or just a vision we do not know. the astrologers the unwitting dupes , likelywould have reported back to Herod and told him where the child was leading to Jesus death. but of coarse God intervined . and they went back another way .how ironic that the star and the astrologers are potrayed in nativity scenes as coming from God
. Despite what countless Nativity scenes depict, Matthew does not specify how many of these men came, nor does he call them "wise men," much less "three kings." He uses the Greek word ma´goi, which means "astrologers." This alone should give the reader a clue that something evil is at work here, for astrology is an art that God’s Word condemns and that faithful Jews scrupulously avoided.—Deuteronomy 18:10-12; Isaiah 47:13, 14

i understand what you are saying. all the stars appear to move because of the rotation. i also know what you are saying about certain astrology that is not of God. herod tried to use those men. whether there be 2 or 10, we dont know...we three kings comes from the orient & a different story, i think that is where the confusion is.
now,

whether it was a light in the sky or just a vision we do not know

that is kind of where we have to stand with it because it is never mentioned again.
i think people are thinking more along the star of david when they use it in a display, not a devil star.
however, where ever God is working, Satan is right there doing his work also.


there was a 'star', very bright, where i used to live. it appeared almost every night & moved fast from east to west. it took about an hour to pass. it was not in order with the other stars but appeared & took the same path every night i would guess it was there 90% of the time.
we all saw it all the time, very high & it was like between 9pm & midnight.
we never figured out what it was. satellite? plane?
we dont know.
which reminds me, i need to call back there some day & see if they ever figured it out & if it is still showing up.

[lunamoth]

OK, I now have to post a dumb question. How can you locate a point on the earth using just one star, and especially if that star is moving?

I've always viewed the star not exactly as only symbolic, but certainly being "interpreted" in the hearts of the Magi by angels or the Holy Spirit. They see a star and they walk in its direction, but really it is a divine guidance that leads them to the Christ child.

Seems like if I started walking in the direction of the North Star, which has the advantage of being "fixed," I'd probably end up cold but hard to believe I'd end up at the exact North Pole.

Don't know much 'bout astronomy (or astrology, for that matter)...

lunamoth

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

OK, I now have to post a dumb question. How can you locate a point on the earth using just one star, and especially if that star is moving?

I've always viewed the star not exactly as only symbolic, but certainly being "interpreted" in the hearts of the Magi by angels or the Holy Spirit. They see a star and they walk in its direction, but really it is a divine guidance that leads them to the Christ child.

Seems like if I started walking in the direction of the North Star, which has the advantage of being "fixed," I'd probably end up cold but hard to believe I'd end up at the exact North Pole.

Don't know much 'bout astronomy (or astrology, for that matter)...

lunamoth

You'd end up about 21* off of true north, or about 15 miles from the center of the north pole. Not bad for no GPS...

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[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

You'd end up about 21* off of true north, or about 15 miles from the center of the north pole. Not bad for no GPS...

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Knowing me I'd end up quite a bit further than 15 miles from the center (I've been off-center my whole life ).

lunamoth

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards!

OK, I have to ask, true north or magnetic north?

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Knowing me I'd end up quite a bit further than 15 miles from the center (I've been off-center my whole life ).

lunamoth

I can relate, only too well...

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Knowing me I'd end up quite a bit further than 15 miles from the center (I've been off-center my whole life ).

lunamoth

Fine, then there is alway the "Southern Cross", and "Orion's belt" to point the way. (Read that as the general direction North).

Magnetic North is relative, as it changes from year to year...true north is true north, fixed. The stars are not. (in reality they change position too, regardless of how slight).

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[Bandit]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

OK, I now have to post a dumb question. How can you locate a point on the earth using just one star, and especially if that star is moving?


lunamoth

LOL i know, the whole thing is kind of goofy. it is a good thing they were not traveling from north to south.

this was a 'special' star.

it would be like following the sun, eventually you would end up in the pacific ocean, depending on what time of year would decide what part of California (so to speak).

[mee]

"Star" Seen After Jesus’ Birth. The "astrologers from eastern parts," hence from the neighborhood of Babylon, whose visit to King Herod after the birth of Jesus resulted in the slaughter of all the male infants in Bethlehem, were obviously not servants or worshipers of the true God. (Mt 2:1-18; As to the "star" (Gr., a·ster´) seen by them, many suggestions have been given as to its having been a comet, a meteor, a supernova, or, more popularly, a conjunction of planets. None of such bodies could logically have ‘come to a stop above where the young child was,’ thereby identifying the one house in the village of Bethlehem where the child was found. It is also notable that only these pagan astrologers "saw" the star. Their condemned practice of astrology and the adverse results of their visit, placing in danger the life of the future Messiah, certainly allow for, and even make advisable, the consideration of their having been directed by a source adverse to God’s purposes as relating to the promised Messiah. It is certainly reasonable to ask if the one who "keeps transforming himself into an angel of light," whose operation is "with every powerful work and lying signs and portents," who was able to make a serpent appear to speak, and who was referred to by Jesus as "a manslayer when he began," could not also cause astrologers to ‘see’ a starlike object that guided them first, not to Bethlehem, but to Jerusalem, where resided a mortal enemy of the promised Messiah.—2Co 11:3, 14; 2Th 2:9; Ge 3:1-4; Joh 8:44.

[Quahom1]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Cut and paste again...Do you have no thought of your own?

One little "Christian sect" is not going to destroy the beliefs of the rest of the Christian body. I don't care what your elders think. What do you think MEE?

We are all wrong and you are right? I knew exactly where you were going with this "Star" thing.

No Satan did not bring on the Star. And if your elders think yes, then they forgot the OT. If they ignore the OT then they are no better than the Gnostics, or the Copts.

Either way, or in any event, not a good way to deal with the rest of us. Your elders' points of view are scewed. One can't piecemeal bits of the Bible for one's own sake. Must take the entire Bible into context.

I've watched you sneak a little piece here, and a little piece there into our collective dialogue. No go. JWs don't have the answers either.

Once again, I will thank you not to cut and paste your faith's "dogma" here. It is getting old.

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Cut and paste again...Do you have no thought of your own?

One little "Christian sect" is not going to destroy the beliefs of the rest of the Christian body. I don't care what your elders think. What do you think MEE?

We are all wrong and you are right? I knew exactly where you were going with this "Star" thing.

No Satan did not bring on the Star. And if your elders think yes, then they forgot the OT. If they ignore the OT then they are no better than the Gnostics, or the Copts.

Either way, or in any event, not a good way to deal with the rest of us. Your elders' points of view are scewed. One can't piecemeal bits of the Bible for one's own sake. Must take the entire Bible into context.

I've watched you sneak a little piece here, and a little piece there into our collective dialogue. No go. JWs don't have the answers either.

Once again, I will thank you not to cut and paste your faith's "dogma" here. It is getting old.

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As i am one of Jehovahs witness then my thoughts will be in line with the rest of JW .thats what i like about being one of JW we are all in unity, in line with the bible ,if you want to believe other views that is your choice , the way i look at things is that if we are sure about our beliefs there is no stumbling blockand our faith is strong. if you want to believe that God put the star there thats fine by me , but i choose to believe that satan put the star there to lead the astrologers to Jerusalem, not to bethlehem .and yes you are so right , we have to take the bible as a whole and not piecemeal bits , just because i have a different thought on things in line with my beliefs as JW does not mean that i should keep silent about it . i am not sure what OT scripture you are refering to , i also find it interesting to look into the OT to research the prophecies about Jesus birth .maybe you could tell me where to look in the OT for the one about the star ,of coarse ,just because the bible fortells something does not always mean that God is in agreement with it .

[mee]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

OK, I now have to post a dumb question. How can you locate a point on the earth using just one star, and especially if that star is moving?

I've always viewed the star not exactly as only symbolic, but certainly being "interpreted" in the hearts of the Magi by angels or the Holy Spirit. They see a star and they walk in its direction, but really it is a divine guidance that leads them to the Christ child.

Seems like if I started walking in the direction of the North Star, which has the advantage of being "fixed," I'd probably end up cold but hard to believe I'd end up at the exact North Pole.

Don't know much 'bout astronomy (or astrology, for that matter)...

lunamoth

but did it lead them to Jesus? or to the herod in Jerusalem , remember Herod wanted no one to take his kingship and Jesus was the fortold king of the Jews , who in Herods eyes would be a rival to herod .and as Herod was a nasty piece of work ,satan made sure that Herod found out where Jesus was , but because Jehovah intervined his life was saved .so the star lead them to Herod first ,then it moved to show the astrologers where Jesus was.then they would have told Herod and he would have killed Jesus ,but God stepped in by telling them to go home another way. what an evil man to kill all those babies 2 and under .thats what power can do to people who are used by satan

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

As i am one of Jehovahs witness then my thoughts will be in line with the rest of JW .thats what i like about being one of JW we are all in unity, in line with the bible ,if you want to believe other views that is your choice , the way i look at things is that if we are sure about our beliefs there is no stumbling blockand our faith is strong. if you want to believe that God put the star there thats fine by me , but i choose to believe that satan put the star there to lead the astrologers to Jerusalem, not to bethlehem .and yes you are so right , we have to take the bible as a whole and not piecemeal bits , just because i have a different thought on things in line with my beliefs as JW does not mean that i should keep silent about it . i am not sure what OT scripture you are refering to , i also find it interesting to look into the OT to research the prophecies about Jesus birth .maybe you could tell me where to look in the OT for the one about the star ,of coarse ,just because the bible fortells something does not always mean that God is in agreement with it .

I am more than happy to oblige. By the way, it isn't your opinion or beliefs that bother me, its pasting words that are not your own almost everytime you post, that gets a little old...

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[Quahom1]

(Nu 24:17), out of Jacob...

If you accept the Bible, as fact, no more be said. If you do not, then we argue/debate.

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[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

(Nu 24:17), out of Jacob...

If you accept the Bible, as fact, no more be said. If you do not, then we argue/debate.

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well after doing some research i think that the star refered to here is refering to King David(2 samuel8;2)this was the initial fullfillment of this prophecy.since David foreshadowed Jesus as messianic king, the prophecy would also apply to jesus at the time when he subdues his enemies. (Isaiah 9;7) (psalm2;8,9)so it is not refering to the star in the sky that the astrologers followed