Star Trek Thread - Page 3

YO-ELEVEN-11 · 03-05-2007, 09:15 PM

I always wondered why non of the aliens were black people. I saw one episode on a planet with nothing but black people on TNG (the next generation). that was it. Of course commander worf is balck, but most of the aliens were white. lol....Still like all of the treks though. My favorite character was Q on TNG.

juantoo3 · 03-07-2007, 01:11 AM

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I always wondered why non of the aliens were black people. I saw one episode on a planet with nothing but black people on TNG (the next generation). that was it. Of course commander worf is balck, but most of the aliens were white. lol

Aw, now Yo,

What of Whoopie Goldberg?

Wasn't there an episode in the original with one character with a white and black face, and one character with a black and white face, and they were fighting each other to the death?

But the ultimate that points to how far ahead of it's time Star Trek really was, considering the state of politics and such at the time in the "real world," but Lt. Uhura was not only a bridge officer, but black and female, and in real life I hear she was a part time paramour to Roddenberry himself!

There were other black characters in the original as well, although in fairness it has been many years and I recall them only vaguely. I am only familiar to any extent with the original and NG and the movies, I can't speak of later efforts after Roddenberry died. But for its day and time, Star Trek was quite ecumenical and racially diverse...deliberately so.

In short, there is enough discrimination in the real world. If we must point finger and find fault, let us at least do so with honesty. Do not falsely accuse those who made a sincere effort to not discriminate.

For Pete's sake...they had a pointed eared green skinned man as second in command! How much more non-discriminatory can you get?

InLove · 03-07-2007, 01:23 AM

Thank you, juan--YO, I was going to point some of this out as well, but I am glad a real trekkie (or trekker, if you prefer) came to the rescue.

InPeace,
InLove,
Counselor Deb

YO-ELEVEN-11 · 03-07-2007, 01:54 AM

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Aw, now Yo, '

What of Whoopie Goldberg?

She is so cool. I like her character. My favorite character is Q.

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Wasn't there an episode in the original with one character with a white and black face, and one character with a black and white face, and they were fighting each other to the death?

I remember that episode. It was one of my favorites. I can not remember if it was the right side or the left side that was supposed to "right" side and who were the "savages" and who was not.

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But the ultimate that points to how far ahead of it's time Star Trek really was, considering the state of politics and such at the time in the "real world," but Lt. Uhura was not only a bridge officer, but black and female, and in real life I hear she was a part time paramour to Roddenberry himself!

Wow, did not know she was privalaged to be "subservient" to him.
Thanks for enlighten me.

Anyway, Like I said, I really liked all of the star Treks...

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There were other black characters in the original as well, although in fairness it has been many years and I recall them only vaguely. I am only familiar to any extent with the original and NG and the movies, I can't speak of later efforts after Roddenberry died. But for its day and time, Star Trek was quite ecumenical and racially diverse...deliberately so.

Yep, That can be said. I watched it as a child and liked it.

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In short, there is enough discrimination in the real world. If we must point finger and find fault, let us at least do so with honesty. Do not falsely accuse those who made a sincere effort to not discriminate.

No False accuzations here. I just made a comment about the content of the show. I never said Rodenberry was racists or not. Please my friend, do not put words in mouth and from now on, do not take my comments as anything other than comments. You know I have noticed that you are awfully sensitve about racial issues, could their be something about you that u need to tell us?

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For Pete's sake...they had a pointed eared green skinned man as second in command! How much more non-discriminatory can you get?

With Anglo Saxon Features.

One more thing, If you ever approach with that tone again, you will understand fully what kind of language black people were forced to learn in country

InLove · 03-07-2007, 02:01 AM

YO--

My friend, I didn't mean to insult you. You have just got to know that by now. And I don't think juantoo3 did either.

Have you read Nichelle's story--do you know how she felt about it all?

Please don't get upset. I love you!

InPeace,
InLove

YO-ELEVEN-11 · 03-07-2007, 02:07 AM

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YO--

My friend, I didn't mean to insult you. You have just got to know that by now. And I don't think juantoo3 did either.

Have you read Nichelle's story--do you know how she felt about it all?

Please don't get upset. I love you!

InPeace,
InLove

InLove · 03-07-2007, 02:14 AM

"Crash"

(It's been a tough day in CR--maybe even a tough week, huh?)

InPeace,
InLove

wil · 03-07-2007, 02:14 AM

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With Anglo Saxon Features.

One more thing, If you ever approach with that tone again, you will understand fully what kind of language black people were forced to learn in country

Emphasis reduced, by me. I don't believe anyone meant to offend and as far as I am aware, at that time Hollywood was pretty lilly white. They were equal offenders, wasn't too long after the civil rights movement and integration really hadn't even started to occur in many circles. Anyone remember the Indians/Native Americans in our westerns or comedies?

We are none of us more than a generation or two from that age and truth be known a lot of what we say that offends we don't even know that it offends until we are told so. Would be quite worth it in my book to clear the air and discuss in another thread the latent issues that still haunt folks today, as it affect our lives today and that of our children...the reason I am here...on this site is to raise my awareness and consciousness.

YO-ELEVEN-11 · 03-07-2007, 02:14 AM

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"Crash"

(It's been a tough day in CR--maybe even a tough week, huh?)

InPeace,
InLove

yep

YO-ELEVEN-11 · 03-07-2007, 02:23 AM

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Emphasis reduced, by me. I don't believe anyone meant to offend and as far as I am aware, at that time Hollywood was pretty lilly white. They were equal offenders, wasn't too long after the civil rights movement and integration really hadn't even started to occur in many circles. Anyone remember the Indians/Native Americans in our westerns or comedies?

We are none of us more than a generation or two from that age and truth be known a lot of what we say that offends we don't even know that it offends until we are told so. Would be quite worth it in my book to clear the air and discuss in another thread the latent issues that still haunt folks today, as it affect our lives today and that of our children...the reason I am here...on this site is to raise my awareness and consciousness.

Will, thanks for the input.
I am not upset at white people in particular, I just did not like the tone that of his comment is all. Im ok now.

YO-11

juantoo3 · 03-07-2007, 03:25 AM

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One more thing, If you ever approach with that tone again, you will understand fully what kind of language black people were forced to learn in country

For one, my previous post was not written with any attitude whatsoever.

For two, I think certain persons of my acquaintance delberately look for cause to accuse, even if there is no cause one is invented.

For three, my heritage includes race(s) that were dealt far more terrible atrocities than blacks ever were. At least black people were allowed to survive. My heritage includes people who were slaughtered for sport! Slaughtered by disease. Slaughtered by starvation. Slaughtered by slave labor in gold and silver mines. Slaughtered by forced marches thousands of miles from their homes. Slaughtered by "indian hunters" and military campaigns as my forebears were driven from their ancestral homes and lands.

So yes, good friend, and I do count you as a friend, if ever you wish to take up the subject, let me know and I will be only too happy to compare notes.

BTW, this post does have just a little teensy hint of attitude.

YO-ELEVEN-11 · 03-07-2007, 03:32 AM

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For one, my previous post was not written with any attitude whatsoever.

For two, I think certain persons of my acquaintance delberately look for cause to accuse, even if there is no cause one is invented.

For three, my heritage includes race(s) that were dealt far more terrible atrocities than blacks ever were. At least black people were allowed to survive. My heritage includes people who were slaughtered for sport! Slaughtered by disease. Slaughtered by starvation. Slaughtered by slave labor in gold and silver mines. Slaughtered by forced marches thousands of miles from their homes. Slaughtered by "indian hunters" and military campaigns as my forebears were driven from their ancestral homes and lands.

So yes, good friend, and I do count you as a friend, if ever you wish to take up the subject, let me know and I will be only too happy to compare notes.

BTW, this post does have just a little teensy hint of attitude.

Pick the subject you want to take up. Please, Let's compare notes.

wil · 03-07-2007, 03:46 AM

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if ever you wish to take up the subject, let me know and I will be only too happy to compare notes.

BTW, this post does have just a little teensy hint of attitude.

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Pick the subject you want to take up. Please, Let's compare notes.

My brothers... I do hope we don't have to. I am a descendent of that European tribe that did injustice on both your houses. And not that I don't wish to air my dirty laundry, or have the atrocities of the past brought to the forefront of our healing process...

What it is that I don't see a need for, and maybe that is my problem is some sort of whose heritage was wronged the most...maybe it is because I wish to disassociate myself...but I believe it is because I just can't see the good that could come out of that.

I wish it were in my power to right the wrongs of the past AND THE PRESENT, as I do see in our ghettos and on the reservations the injustice continues....and both folks that say, 'it was a long time ago, get over it' and folks that say, 'see the man continues to keep me down' both are not only increasing the divide, but by their thoughts and words re-igniting and re-inforcing past mistakes.

It is not a time for a contest of wills that separate, but a time to join forces and create a better tomorrow for our children and our children's children.

InLove · 03-07-2007, 02:26 PM

From Wilma Mankiller:

"I've run into more discrimination as a woman than as an Indian."

"Everybody is sitting around saying, 'Well, jeez, we need somebody to solve this problem of bias.' That somebody is us. We all have to try to figure out a better way to get along."

"Growth is a painful process."

"I don't think anybody anywhere can talk about the future of their people or of an organization without talking about education. Whoever controls the education of our children controls our future."

"A lot of young girls have looked to their career paths and have said they'd like to be chief. There's been a change in the limits people see."

I posted these quotes in earnest, not to agitate the situation, but just to try and bring some light. I could go on and on about my own situation, but I think that what I'd like is to understand how to get past the problems of communication. There are many times when I don't speak or ask a question or even make a joke because I don't know if I will offend. It might be nice to have a place where we could ask one another, "Hey, would this offend you? If so, why?" But I don't know if we are brave enough or tempered enough to do that. None of us likes to be reminded of how either we or our ancestors or even our immediate families have screwed up things or of the pain that others have caused us. But maybe if we try, and when the time is right, we can let those guards down just a little and reach out to one another here, so that when we are out in that world, we can cope better. Just thinking....

InPeace,
InLove

(I return you all to your regular Star Trek programming.)

pfw · 03-10-2007, 03:21 PM

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I know this is the Star Trek and not the Star Wars thread, but I don't know where else to turn, I've just been informed we've possibly been duped. And I for one wonder if there shouldn't be a congressional investigation.

Pure class, brilliant-post in on the conspiracy theory thread.