suffering is near its end

mee · 11-18-2005, 11:47 AM

All the evidence shows that we are nearing the end of mans tragic experiment in independence from God. It has been clearly demonstated that rulership by humans apart from God can never suceed. Only Gods rulership can bring peace, happiness, perfect health, and everlasting -life. So Jehovahs toleration of wickedness and suffering is nearing its end .Soon God will intervene in human affairs by destroying this entire unsatisfactory system of things.
Bible prophecy says .... In the days of those kings ( human rulerships now existing) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom(in heaven) that will never be brought to ruin.....It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms (present rulerships) and it itself will stand to times indefinite(daniel 2;44) the vindication of Jehovahs sovereignty, his right to rule , by his heavenly kingdom is the central teaching of the bible . foretelling a key part of the sign of The last days ,Jesus said,This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations ,and then the end will come....matthew 24;14
when the end comes who will survive? The upright are the ones that will reside in the earth . and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it . As regards the wicked they will be cut off from the very earth.(proverbs 2;21-22) the upright are those who learn Jehovahs will and do it.Jesus christ said ,This means everlasting life,their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God ,and of the one who you sent forth Jesus christ.(John 17;3) yes ,this world is passing away......but he that does the will of God remains forever (1 John 2;17) its nice to know that we can all be a part of the promises for the future in a paradise earth , but the question is do we want to do Gods will ?

wil · 11-18-2005, 01:03 PM

Always interesting from before Jesus arrived on the scene and then beginning in full post crucifixion....the end is at hand. One common thread, most of the time is that it will happen in our lifetime. Not often we see predictions 100 or more years in the future...it is always current events that foretell armegeddon, the rapture, the apocalypse, revelation at any moment.

I wonder how many millenia we can continue with this thought?

The predictors stay the same just the names and faces and countries and wars change. Our vices have been fairly constant...sex, drugs, alcohol, envy, reckless abandon, we see the ebb and flow, the swing of the pendelum over the centuries...but over all it all stays the same, including the end being at hand.

mee · 11-18-2005, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

Always interesting from before Jesus arrived on the scene and then beginning in full post crucifixion....the end is at hand. One common thread, most of the time is that it will happen in our lifetime. Not often we see predictions 100 or more years in the future...it is always current events that foretell armegeddon, the rapture, the apocalypse, revelation at any moment.

I wonder how many millenia we can continue with this thought?

The predictors stay the same just the names and faces and countries and wars change. Our vices have been fairly constant...sex, drugs, alcohol, envy, reckless abandon, we see the ebb and flow, the swing of the pendelum over the centuries...but over all it all stays the same, including the end being at hand.

that depends weather a person has kept on the watch i suppose, if they have , they are aware of where we are in the stream of time
YOU also, keep ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think likely the Son of man is coming. luke 12;40

For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires and saying: "Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep [in death], all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning 2 peter 3;3-4 if there were not ridiculars the bible would be wrong , but as you say there are ridiculars

Quahom1 · 11-18-2005, 11:34 PM

I believe we are also told not to fret, because the world is going through the beginnings of birth pangs, and these things must happen as in child birth. I also note that it is not the end of the world, but rather the end of an age, hence the beginning of a new age. For a thousand years as I recall. I also note that that will not be the end of the world but the end of an age. Then evil is let loose for a short time. After that, then comes the end of another age, and the beginning of a New Heaven and New Earth...

So the concept that the end is near...is a misnomer. The Heavens and Earth never cease, rather they are to be reborn, or made new.

But even if our current age ended tonight, there is still a thousand and some years to go before total transformation of Heaven and Earth.

Also, suffering is not near its end, as it is written that there will be suffering during the time after the 1000 years of peace, when men know better (than they do now), yet choose to be fools and rail against the "known God".

v/r

Q

mee · 11-19-2005, 05:35 PM

The new heavens is not something for the future it is already in exsistence ,and directing those who want to live under the rulership of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment , so those who are not recognizing this new heavens(rulership) will not benefit from it . the earthly society of people who do recognize this new rulership are those who are doing the will of God now. and it is these people who will benefit and gain many blessings when God steps into the affairs of the nations . we are very close now to the time when God is going to put all opposers out of the way so that this heavenly kingdom can take over full control of the earth ...revelation 16;16
And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged´on

(Revelation 19:19) And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army............... but there is only one victor and that is Jesus christ because he is king of kings and Lord of Lord

And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness...revelation 19;11

(Isaiah 11:4) And with righteousness he must judge the lowly ones, and with uprightness he must give reproof in behalf of the meek ones of the earth. And he must strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the spirit of his lips he will put the wicked one to death.

mee · 11-19-2005, 05:38 PM

oh sorry about the small font dont no what happened then

Quahom1 · 11-19-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

The new heavens is not something for the future it is already in exsistence ,and directing those who want to live under the rulership of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment , so those who are not recognizing this new heavens(rulership) will not benefit from it . the earthly society of people who do recognize this new rulership are those who are doing the will of God now. and it is these people who will benefit and gain many blessings when God steps into the affairs of the nations . we are very close now to the time when God is going to put all opposers out of the way so that this heavenly kingdom can take over full control of the earth ...revelation 16;16
And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged´on

(Revelation 19:19) And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage the war with the one seated on the horse and with his army............... but there is only one victor and that is Jesus christ because he is king of kings and Lord of Lord

And I saw the heaven opened, and, look! a white horse. And the one seated upon it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness...revelation 19;11

(Isaiah 11:4) And with righteousness he must judge the lowly ones, and with uprightness he must give reproof in behalf of the meek ones of the earth. And he must strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the spirit of his lips he will put the wicked one to death

I do not see the new heaven here yet. Impossible while the anti-Christ is yet to be, or yet to finish his work.

During the 1000 years of peace there is no war. Hence we are not there yet.

v/r

Q

Tao_Equus · 11-19-2005, 10:05 PM

I dont know who wrote revelations, but whoever it was I believe them to have indulged a little to much in in psychoactives on top of a serious bout of depression.

Just a wee opinion from Dr.Equuus.

Regards

TE

Quahom1 · 11-19-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I dont know who wrote revelations, but whoever it was I believe them to have indulged a little to much in in psychoactives on top of a serious bout of depression.

Just a wee opinion from Dr.Equuus.

Regards

TE

Actually you are being rude. This is a Christian forum. And as such we believe in revelations, but you have no business talking garbage, about it in this forum.

mee · 11-20-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I do not see the new heaven here yet. Impossible while the anti-Christ is yet to be, or yet to finish his work.

During the 1000 years of peace there is no war. Hence we are not there yet.

v/r

Q

the reason you dont see the new heavens is because Jesus ,as the king of the heavens , first had to kick out the rebels in heaven ..revelation 12-9 and where did they go ? down here , but only for a short time , satan knows he has a short period of time left before he is put out of business for good
This abyssing of Satan is for a thousand years, during which time his influence on mankind will be no more than that of a prisoner in a deep dungeon. The angel of the abyss removes Satan completely from any contact with the Kingdom of righteousness. What a relief for mankind! and yes you are right there will be no wars when satan is out the way, so yes we are waiting for Jesus to go into action regarding the earth, but his heavenly kingship has already happened inline with bible prophecy and recognizing that kingship is what Jesus wants us to do , then we can come through the great tribulation that is yet to happen

After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb..revelation 7;9-10

(Acts 4:12) Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved......talking about the anti-christ , the anti-christ is anyone or any thing that does not recognize Jesus kingship and is against that kingship. the anti- christ is already here.

mee · 11-20-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

I dont know who wrote revelations, but whoever it was I believe them to have indulged a little to much in in psychoactives on top of a serious bout of depression.

Just a wee opinion from Dr.Equuus.

Regards

TE

The apostle John introduces this grand prophecy with the words: "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place." (Revelation 1:1a)

The apostle John, who wrote down Revelation, was the last surviving apostle and one of the select spirit-anointed group of "slaves" that inherit immortal life in the heavens

mansio · 11-20-2005, 10:12 AM

People who talk about the so-called nearing End Times are people disappointed with their everyday life, maybe of little faith too.
I never see a discussion about all the past End Times that have never happened.
Some people as the Jehovah Witnesses have made it a topic to sell their religion, but as every End Times believers, they have always been wrong with their past predictions.

Revelation is from a disciple of John, not John himself.

Tao_Equus · 11-20-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Actually you are being rude. This is a Christian forum. And as such we believe in revelations, but you have no business talking garbage, about it in this forum.

You are correct. My appologies.

Respectfully

TE

BlaznFattyz · 11-20-2005, 04:50 PM

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Some people as the Jehovah Witnesses have made it a topic to sell their religion, but as every End Times believers, they have always been wrong with their past predictions.

be cautious of those that give inaccurate dates and false teachings of man, and those that take out or put things in the word of god, as they have been tested and found wrong and misleading and inaccurate.

rather, test the things you hear and read. that way you know the bible is in the inspired word of god. with over 300 prophesies in the bible, most have already been fulfilled, that lets you know the rest will also be.

no matter what age we live in, love each other and ask for forgiveness of all the bad things you do and pray for the strength not to continue doing them, so that when the lord jesus christ comes in glory descending from the heavens you will not be ashamed.

mansio · 11-20-2005, 08:02 PM

Blazn

Could you give me a couple of the 300 prophecies that have been fulfilled. I hope they aren't of the kind given on another thread by a Muslim.