Symmetry: Derail from Sound and Sacred Geometry

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Nick the Pilot

BMS,

I have found that the origins of Buddhism and the origins of Hinduism are very similar. The way I see it, the two religions were originally teaching the same things, but evolved into very different religions as the centuries went by.

For example, I see the Buddhist concept of Sunyata as being equal to the Hindu concept of Parabrahman, and I see the Buddhist concept of Avalokiteshvara as being equal to the Hindu concept of Brahman. There are many more examples if we only look for them.

Originally Posted by radarmark

Nick, Jainism is kinda-sorta the tread linking the two. The movement is from Veddism to Jainism to Buddhism to the many individual forms of Hinduism and Buddhism found today.

I would have to agree with radarmark here: Buddhism has much more in common with Jainism than it does with Hinduism. (Both are shramana traditions, and you can further compare the Triple Gem of Jainism (Right View, Right Knowledge, Right Conduct) with the Buddhist Noble Eightfold Path (Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livlihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration) and the way the noble eightfold path is divided into three sections parallel to the Jain Triple Gem. Buddhism also talks about Devas, like Jainism. Buddhism parts from Jainism in that it takes the Middle Way between the harmful extreme austerity of Jainism and the other extreme of sensual indulgences, by avoiding the harmful indulgences but taking care the wholesome sensual indulgences that keep you healthy.

The shramana (contemplative) traditions are a bottom-up approach that focuses on the individual, whereas Hinduism is more top-down and focuses more on society and social engineering rather than on individual transformation.

[radarmark]

Tried to give you rep points (again) SG, but I guess I gave my last to you. Very, very precise and insightful comment. Just to add a little (that I think is correct and on-thread).

From wikipedia:
"Modern Hinduism is the reflection of continuity and progressive changes that occurred in various traditions and institutions of Hinduism during the 19th and 20th centuries. Its main divisions are into Vaishnavism (largely influenced by Bhakti), Shaivism, Shaktism and Smartism (Advaita Vedanta). Besides these traditional denominations, movements of Hindu revivalism look to founders such as Swami Vivekananda, Swami Dayananda (Arya Samaj), Rabindranath Tagore, Ramana Maharshi, Aurobindo, Shriram Sharma Acharya, Swami Sivananda, Swami Rama Tirtha, Narayana Guru, Paramhansa Yogananda, Swami Chinmayananda, Shrii Shrii Anandamurti, Pandurang Shastri Athavale (Swadhyay Movement) and others."

The point is that Hinduism (like any meme) evolves. And these "Vedantic" modern forms move back (a little) from the top-down to something more like Buddhism. And Buddhism itself has evolved (ch'an and zen) towards something like Daoism.

Hard to hit a moving target. Harder still to dee the movement. These changes occur over humdreds of years.

[BrotherMichaelSky]

Originally Posted by Nick the Pilot

SG,

wú​jí​, 无 极, yes, that's a good addition to the list.
Word dictionary - wuji - MDBG English to Chinese dictionary

Radar,

I definitely see value in taking the discussion to the 'greater realm' of religion. Hinduism and Buddhism are branches of the same tree, and Hinduism/Buddhism and Judiasm/Christianity are bigger branches on the same, singular tree. Hinduism/Buddhism and Judiasm/Christianity are a lot less different than most people realize.

BMS,

You said, "...faiths start at the same time in differing places and then intermingle."

--> The opposite is also possible, that all of these religions sprouted from an original, single-source religion.

ever read any of the Urantia Book?
It's a bit much in one bite... ... but has some interesting ideas....

I believe ALL religion springs from a source within us - there will be religions wherever man goes.... and Yes, I DO believe there is an archetype...

[BrotherMichaelSky]

Originally Posted by radarmark

That is why I differentiate between "Religion", referrring to things like Hiduism and all of its wonderful offshoots, and "religion", referring to the direct experience of G!d (substitute your own word, Allah, Krishna, Buddahmind, or Yahweh here if you want to).

The Dalai Lama says he PRACTICES Buddhism....

[Nick the Pilot]

"...ever read any of the Urantia Book?"

--> Sorry, I haven't. I guess I'll have to add it to the list of the gazillion things I'm going to do if I ever get any free time!

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by BrotherMichaelSky

ever read any of the Urantia Book?
It's a bit much in one bite... ... but has some interesting ideas....

Yes, I've gone through it, but have not read all of it. Needless to say, I'm quite skeptical about it as it is a channeled work.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Nick the Pilot

SG,

wú​jí​, 无 极, yes, that's a good addition to the list.
Word dictionary - wuji - MDBG English to Chinese dictionary

You know Nick, I guess your list can relate to sunyata in the way that a Möbius strip relates to a spiral if you turn it inside out.

[BrotherMichaelSky]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Yes, I've gone through it, but have not read all of it. Needless to say, I'm quite skeptical about it as it is a channeled work.

I am surprised and amazed every time i go back to it's pages after periods of experiences..... i believe it may be one of the MOST clearly channeled works of our time.... but it takes leaps of understanding to make connections - which is a very difficult thing to manage.....

I find it interesting and educational how it shares info about the organization of the Heavens....
first time i read it I was CONVINCED it was just useless and peculiar...
But i must admit - that the Reality which I am discovering, most closely resembles what I read in those pages....

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by BrotherMichaelSky

I am surprised and amazed every time i go back to it's pages after periods of experiences..... i believe it may be one of the MOST clearly channeled works of our time.... but it takes leaps of understanding to make connections - which is a very difficult thing to manage.....

I find it interesting and educational how it shares info about the organization of the Heavens....
first time i read it I was CONVINCED it was just useless and peculiar...
But i must admit - that the Reality which I am discovering, most closely resembles what I read in those pages....

I'll admit that there are some details in it that might ring true. I admit that much of my skepticism is prolly related to the "heavenly bureaucracy." Nothing like a bureaucracy to suck the life out of the individual.

[Nick the Pilot]

BMS,

I'm glad to see you have found a 'revealed' book that works for you. Many people never do, so you are fortunate.

[radarmark]

Add it to the Library of Babel that I wonder through, but I have found meaning in many, many books and no longer seek the Book of Sand (obscure literary references).

[seattlegal]

Oh gee wiz! I've been reading about symmetry breaking with the Higgs boson, and I keep getting prompted back to this thread and the Sound and Sacred Geometry thread.

Is there any possible connection between the two that I'm just not consciously grasping? My subconscious mind might have made a connection that I just can't grasp.

Any feedback would be appreciated!

[Etu Malku]

The Something from Nothing Particle Theory?

[paraphrased from Psychonaut by Peter J. Carroll by yours truly]

As a species we only started to form pretentious theories about cosmic gods when we mixed up our megalomaniac psychology with the vestiges of shamanistic knowledge. The monotheistic God is only an idealized image of ourselves or our fathers or our kings writ large.

Before the monotheistic errors were made, our species had arrived at a sophisticated appreciation of the psychic structure of our own little corner of the universe. Men recognized the animating spirit of living things, often depicted as a Horned God. It was a force without morality, could not be bargained with or placated.

Man lost touch with many aspects of this force of Nature and began to construct all manner of improbable polytheistic and pantheistic theories to account for the behavior of himself and his environment. Knowledge became fragmented and aspects of the force were personified as various deities. The Horned God of antiquity reappeared as the anti-god of these systems, His devotees meeting secretly as witches and sorcerers to practice their magick. The animating force of the entire vast universe can be called Chaos. the inexpressible pregnant Void from which manifest existence, order, and form arise.

Today this force has reasserted itself in our awareness under the Sy(n)bol of Baphomet! The spirit of the life force and thus Baphomet, is the spirit of the dual ecstasy, procreation and re-absorption, sex and death - end


I firmly believe that there exists an objective and a subjective universe, that the objective universe is what most consider God/Supreme Being etc.
The subjective universe is what some consider to be the Unknowable/Tao etc.

They are not the same, they are two distinctive things.
The objective universe/God/Baphomet to me, was formed by the Principles behind Vibration and Frequency, if not directly by them.