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[Faithfulservant]

Despite what you may think... our ultimate goal isnt converting Jews..Our ultimate goal is helping them because we want to help. Im not saying that some people would use it as a means to convert... but it isnt on the top of our list..

Our particular belief is that Gods will be done His way and His time.. we are just the instruments He works with. We of course share the gospel but we do that because we are supposed to.

Thanks again for the link

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

I'm just bumping this thread to stay in the "courtyard" (so to speak) .... actually I do believe that the third temple will be made of light and when we remember who we are, we will no longer have to use words like "your people and my people" .... the temple will be a house of prayer for all nations .... one needs to removed walls to see, not build new ones .... faithful servant, your words do have a way of building walls .... we should all keep an open mind .... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

I believe you are a kind and gentle person but this way is not biblical. I reject it.. To be Holy is to be set apart.. The way you are speaking is anti-christ and apostate. There are two masters.. one is the world and one is the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ..

[bananabrain]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Despite what you may think... our ultimate goal isn't converting Jews

well, that is nice to hear from time to time...

Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

actually I do believe that the third temple will be made of light

and this is a valid jewish tradition, actually, faithfulservant.

and when we remember who we are, we will no longer have to use words like "your people and my people" .... the temple will be a house of prayer for all nations

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I believe you are a kind and gentle person but this way is not biblical. I reject it..

ahem - if this is what you think, you ought to take a look at isaiah 2:2-3 in particular and the first twenty verses or so in general. pohaikawahine makes a perfectly good point.

To be Holy is to be set apart..

strictly linguistically speaking, yes, but i've noticed that that hardly seems to be an issue for christians in other areas.

The way you are speaking is anti-christ and apostate.

harrumph. poh never said she was a christian and i think you're ignoring some rather important bits of the bible, frankly.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Faithfulservant]

Your telling me that she is saying that all people will gather in the holy temple and worship the G-D of Abraham Isaac and Jacob? From what I gather she believes we all worship the same G-D now? If I am wrong than I will certainly apologize.

strictly linguistically speaking, yes, but i've noticed that that hardly seems to be an issue for christians in other areas.

In which areas are you speaking? and please dont lump together all that claim the name Christian.. its completely ridiculous.. you yourself dont lump all your people and how they practice their faith.

According to the bible there are only 2 roads leading in 2 completely different directions.. as much as it irks people.. You are either a Christian or you arent.. You are either born of the Spirit of G-D or you arent.

We are to go out into the world to share the gospel yet we are not to fellowship with those whose master is not Christ the Lord.

Its not much different than the time of your forefathers.. whats changed?? The Jews or G-D?

I also would like to know which important bits of scripture and I ignoring? You quote Isaiah but am I allowed to quote Revelation?

[bananabrain]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

You're telling me that she is saying that all people will gather in the holy Temple and worship the G!D of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

that's not just what *she's* saying. that's what it says in isaiah in chapter 2.

From what I gather she believes we all worship the same G-D now?

there is a perfectly valid PoV (which i share, incidentally) which says that, in effect, if G!D Is One, when you worship a Oneness which you call G!D, it is very hard to argue that you are not worshipping the same G!D. i don't particularly care whether the Name by which this Oneness is addressed is Sat Naam, Brahma, HaShem, Allah, The Force or Great Spirit, frankly, as long as the Oneness is still One and not more than one. what we are talking about is the realisation that "there are many roads up the Mountain" and that we're all on the same side and in fact, this is precisely how isaiah expresses this concept. moreover, what is important is how we act, not the terminology used (unless of course one has an obligation to use a particular approach, which is in the terms and conditions of a biblical covenant)

In which areas are you speaking?

well, if you set apart, you set apart. in other words, separate - set apart milk from meat, tamei (cultically pure things) from tahor (cultically impure things), permitted activities from forbidden activities, which christians claim is no longer necessary, in contradistinction to ourselves, who claim they are as necessary as they ever were, in other words they are still binding on us and were never binding on non-jews in the first place. furthermore, what the concept of kedushah or holiness does not imply is that holiness is set apart from the world and the everyday. to suggest that it does is to violate the linguistic sense of the "Word", as you might put it, in order to support some figurative meaning - but we cannot accept that a verse can be separated from its literal meaning.

According to the bible there are only 2 roads leading in 2 completely different directions.. as much as it irks people.. You are either a Christian or you aren't.. You are either born of the Spirit of G-D or you arent.

the problem is that when you use the word "biblical" it includes the "new testament", whereas if i use it i am talking about the "old testament" only. and, strictly speaking, according to the "biblical" definition in the NT, i'm *not* a christian and therefore theologically no different from some chap in the amazon jungle with a feather worn in an interesting place. but, according to you, we're both equally wrong because we're not christians. you can't "have fellowship" with either of us (which leads me to wonder somewhat what you're doing on a comparative religion site) - so if you want to say "according to the bible" you'd better say which bit of the bible you mean.

You quote Isaiah but am I allowed to quote Revelation?

you can quote it if you like, but i don't believe it is a sacred text, at least not from my PoV. i would hardly quote the tanya (the most influential hasidic text) to you for the same reason. we can only really discuss texts which we both consider authoritative and even then we are likely, as you see, to disagree about their meaning. in other words, don't quote revelations to me and expect me to find it convincing.

b'shalom

bananabrain