that enemy

[mee]

Was it God’s original purpose for people to die?

we are being pursued by an enemy.

All of us are.

the Bible calls death an enemy.

None of us can outrun it or fight it off.

All of us have seen this enemy claim the lives of people dear to us


But Jehovah is far more powerful than death



He is the loving Rescuer who has already shown that he can defeat this enemy.


and this great God JEHOVAH PSALM 83;18
promises to destroy this enemy, death,once and for all.



The Bible teaches
As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing." (1 Corinthians 15:26) That is good news! WOULD YOU NOT AGREE

But as the bible says, death is the last enemy to be brought to nothing . so there must be other things that have got to be brought to nothing . the bible seems to be a book full of nice promises so it is well worth finding out what other things are to be brought to nothing. the bible is good isnt it giving us a hope for the future ?

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

Was it God’s original purpose for people to die?

we are being pursued by an enemy.

All of us are.

the Bible calls death an enemy.

None of us can outrun it or fight it off.

All of us have seen this enemy claim the lives of people dear to us

But Jehovah is far more powerful than death

He is the loving Rescuer who has already shown that he can defeat this enemy.


and this great God JEHOVAH PSALM 83;18
promises to destroy this enemy, death,once and for all.

OK and if i can?

The Bible teaches
As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing." (1 Corinthians 15:26) That is good news! WOULD YOU NOT AGREE

But as the bible says, death is the last enemy to be brought to nothing . so there must be other things that have got to be brought to nothing . the bible seems to be a book full of nice promises so it is well worth finding out what other things are to be brought to nothing. the bible is good isnt it giving us a hope for the future ?

Each choice we make we impose and action to existence in time; agreed?

When we sleep we are not of choice to impose 'anything'.... Agreed?

So if a person is asleep or dead; in both cases they cannot do anything any further by choice. So death and sleep are the same in the comprehension, that the body is not 'doing'.

But the life is still there as to what you did, the day before.

SO if you did something good, then that choice you made to impose will live beyond the physical death.

Plant a tree

Teach a child

Make a child

Each of these will live (usually) longer than your 'waking' hours.

death is not of something to fear, but that life should be the choice of doing

anything and everything you do, measure with the truth of reality;

If the choice is 'good' the imposition will 'support life' to continue.

If the choice is 'bad' (loss to the common/selfish) then the imposition will fade to extinction; and that life that imposed the action dies with it.

So to follow and teach a fib; will be extinct

that enemy

to religions is the understanding of truth

that means in reality that enemy of the religious is me

[Bishadi]

In sharing life; are you each aware that even your gggggrandparents are alive right now.

Since we know, each are of energy (light) upon mass, then when each parent gave a cell (sperm/egg) to combine and make the new shade that is you; then realize each parent made a choice and physical contribution to create a life.

And because of that they have continued the life all your grandparents since the beginning of time, to continue in life.

Think about it.

Do you see just how important knowledge and understanding is?

That within a few minute and basic common sense, you can actually look in the mirror and know, your whole lineage is literally ‘alive and in the flesh’….. honor them. Never deface them with a fib, do not steal, kill, do not commit a ‘loss to the common’ based on a selfish choice.

As we learn we become more observant as to how to understand these pure rules as they work in every choice, and even seen in all nature but them critters have a benefit; they cannot become isolated and cause a ‘loss to the common’ by choice as they live within the guide of God (instinct).

Who caught how that all comes together?

Peace

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

So if a person is asleep or dead; in both cases they cannot do anything any further by choice.

very true, and Jesus himself when he refered to lazurus just before he resurrected him , spoke of death like a sleep .



Jesus tells his disciples that Lazarus is sleeping and that He will go to wake him up.


He said these things, and after this he said to them: "Laz´a·rus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep john 11;11




The disciples do not understand what Jesus means.

So Jesus says plainly: "Lazarus has died." John 11;14


What does this show about death? Yes, that it is like a deep sleep.



no conscious thought at all as ECCELLSIASTES 9 ;5 tells us

For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all,

[Bishadi]

Mee me,

since day one, an underlying theme has been suggested; that the religious rendition do "have good' and much understanding to be recognized and observed.

All that is neccessary is using the mind and integrity to observe the material.

To remove the ideas of magic and omnipotence and maintain and intent to learn; then biblical text (or any theology) will share wisdom and knowledge pure to existence.

the magic is what to overcome. Use your mind, heart and depth of honesty to continually learn until a true understanding begins to live.

Like in this example; for you to recognize that physical death is no different to sleeping, pychologically speaking, then this real truth removes a whole bunch of foolish assimilation to the religious aspects of the biblical knowledge.

Take the ideas of separation from God (existence) and throw them out the door. He is not on some thrown; but 'you' incarnate; alive; experiencing and capable of creating.

Think of consciousness as the ability to experience your surroundings.

Like a baby first born; seeing and capturing all the information of the environment, born into, yet unaware of what it all is.

God is experiencing within that mind; all of them.

And why, when one shares compassion, humility and the gift of choice to contribute knowledge for the good of life; then who cares what the religion; "existence" is speaking.

Honor knowledge of the unknown understandings as 'something.'

and then use your integrity to combine the good of each... remove the self and the pride and think of your childs eyes; never lie to them; ever!

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

In sharing life; are you each aware that even your gggggrandparents are alive right now.

Since we know, each are of energy (light) upon mass, then when each parent gave a cell (sperm/egg) to combine and make the new shade that is you; then realize each parent made a choice and physical contribution to create a life.

And because of that they have continued the life all your grandparents since the beginning of time, to continue in life.

Think about it.

Do you see just how important knowledge and understanding is?

That within a few minute and basic common sense, you can actually look in the mirror and know, your whole lineage is literally ‘alive and in the flesh’….. honor them. Never deface them with a fib, do not steal, kill, do not commit a ‘loss to the common’ based on a selfish choice.

As we learn we become more observant as to how to understand these pure rules as they work in every choice, and even seen in all nature but them critters have a benefit; they cannot become isolated and cause a ‘loss to the common’ by choice as they live within the guide of God (instinct).

Who caught how that all comes together?

Peace

ROMANS 5;12


That is why, just as through one man(ADAM) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned

But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die."GENESIS 2;17



Your own father, the first one, has sinned, and your own spokesmen have transgressed against me. isaiah 43;27



Consequently the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something to be longed for to the eyes, yes, the tree was desirable to look upon. So she began taking of its fruit and eating it. Afterward she gave some also to her husband when with her and he began eating it. GENESIS 3;6

THATS WHY WE DIE
And Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man: "From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die."
GENESIS 2;16-17


At this the serpent said to the woman: ‘You positively will not die. For God knows that in the very day of your eating from it your eyes are bound to be opened and you are bound to be like God, knowing good and bad.’"—Genesis 3:4, 5.



look at where listening to lies and slander got them, it got them out of line with the most high Jehovah .


just think they could have carried on living forever if they had not been misled by that instigator of the first lie .


but no worries Jehovah has provided a rescuer.


and it is JESUS .


The Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom [Greek, ly´tron] in exchange for many."—Matthew 20:28.


What is a ransom? The Greek word used here comes from a verb meaning

"to let loose, to release."

[Bishadi]

ROMANS 5;12

That is why, just as through one man(ADAM) sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned

IN your belief; are Adam and eve the first humans on earth? If so, and we are here, then are they dead? Absolutely not!

But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die."GENESIS 2;17

And if we could not comprehend ‘choice’ of good and bad, then we would still be monkeys; instinctive animals; never separate from God (nature).

Are adam and eve still alive, ‘in the flesh’ of all mankind? Of course, even within your belief or faith.

At this the serpent said to the woman: ‘You positively will not die. For God knows that in the very day of your eating from it your eyes are bound to be opened and you are bound to be like God, knowing good and bad.’"—Genesis 3:4, 5.

Well since we are all here, and alive with the life of Eve within the lives of every human alive; then at least the talking ‘serpent’ was telling the truth.

look at where listening to lies and slander got them, it got them out of line with the most high Jehovah .

That is exactly what religions have done; isolated mankind from God, by considering man separate from nature (garden of eden). As well teaching concoctions of faith rather than honoring all of existence (God).

Where people actually have the gall to suggest they are ‘chosen ones’ better than their own brothers as an act of God.

The Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom [Greek, ly´tron] in exchange for many."—Matthew 20:28.

How these words get abused with such foolishness

24</SPAN>And the ten having heard, were much displeased with the two brothers,
25and Jesus having called them near, said, `Ye have known that the rulers of the nations do exercise lordship over them, and those great do exercise authority over them,
26but not so shall it be among you, but whoever may will among you to become great, let him be your ministrant;
27and whoever may will among you to be first, let him be your servant;
28even as the Son of Man did not come to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.'

This selection (chapter) has been used to suggest that JC was telling people HE came to die for our sins, which is a complete fabrication or religious belief.
To observe these words with the eyes of compassion removing the self as being less than any man; then see that this suggest that each person can, by choice, give for the good of mankind. The selfish who don’t are the servants of men; ‘the religious order’
Where them who choose to ‘do’ and be of ‘life’ …. Will lead in their contributions to existence. Such than Isaac Newton, Roger Bacon, Darwin, Jesus himself; each of these men gave of their (but whoever may will among you) of their life, by choice are them who live beyond the life of men.

What is a ransom? The Greek word used here comes from a verb meaning

"to let loose, to release."

correct… release the pride!
Stand up for the truth; and let the complacent of faith die with the choices they continue.
To live; each must be of existence and give of their energy for life to continue; the complacent die in the pride of the self.
Returning to adam;

Your own father, the first one, has sinned, and your own spokesmen have transgressed against me. isaiah 43;27

He (adam) covered himself (fig leaf) in pride of self (isolation from God); as well your religious leaders; exhibit false witness of God (existence itself).

Are you a spokesman of a belief oh selfish Mee me of religious order?


Keep the thread in mind; "that enemy" of the faiths; is knowledge.

Hence 'let him who hath Understanding recon the number (birth period) of the beast'

them religious leaders will be out of a job!

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

them religious leaders will be out of a job!

very true false religious leaders will soon be out of a job.

that is just what the bible teaches, but those who are willing to be taken in by JEHOVAH will go on to recieve great blessings



That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong.Revelation 18:5-8.



Among the teachings prominent in ancient Babylon were worship of a triad or trinity of gods,

the belief that the human soul could not die,

and the teaching that persons suffered after death in an underground world or "land of no return."


The use of images also played a large part in Babylonian worship.



strong symbolic words there .

and notice it is Jehovah who has judged that age old harlot . and fire represents total destruction .good symbolic words in deed.


although many persons are unaware of it, there are many doctrines and practices found in religions throughout the earth today that have a common origin in Babylon’s false religion.


it is no wonder that false religion is called BABYLON THE GREAT in the book of revelation and it tells Gods people TO GET OUT OF HER REVELATION 18;4

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

very true false religious leaders will soon be out of a job.

Among the teachings prominent in ancient Babylon were worship of a triad or trinity of gods,

although many persons are unaware of it, there are many doctrines and practices found in religions throughout the earth today that have a common origin in Babylon’s false religion.

it is no wonder that false religion is called BABYLON THE GREAT in the book of revelation and it tells Gods people TO GET OUT OF HER REVELATION 18;4

The teaching of the trinity is fundamental to christianity, it is fundamental to knowing the nature of God who has expressed himself in three persons. I for one am getting tired of you taking shots at christianity and its teachings and calling them false and associating it with babylon.

[Thomas]

Hi Mee —

Just a quick note to show how your propaganda about the Trinity is a subtle deception:

Originally Posted by mee

Among the teachings prominent in ancient Babylon were worship of a triad or trinity of gods ... although many persons are unaware of it, there are many doctrines and practices found in religions throughout the earth today that have a common origin in Babylon’s false religion.

So by the same rule, if anyone teaches One God, which was also prominent and practiced in Babylon, then their religion is similarly false?

'Hoist on your own petard' as the saying goes ... And quoting scripture won't help, as you've also declared that void, by the same argument.

Thomas

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by mee

very true false religious leaders will soon be out of a job.

Is JW a religion of faith?
Ok then; it is time to leave!

Among the teachings prominent in ancient Babylon were worship of a triad or trinity of gods,

The city is already gone

the word

The form Babylon is the Greek variant of Akkadian Babilu (bāb-ilû, meaning "Gateway of the god(s)", translating Sumerian Ka.dingir.ra). In the Bible, the name appears as בבל (Babel), interpreted by Book of Genesis 11:9 to mean "confusion" (of languages), from the verb balbal, "to confuse".

Is exactly what religions do; they remove the ability or desire of learning true knowledge by imposing a belief in magic and omnipotent conception. (creation) Which is a blatant fib confusing the minds of the worlds children.

although many persons are unaware of it, there are many doctrines and practices found in religions throughout the earth today that have a common origin in Babylon’s false religion.

And JW is based from this same 'city'

it is no wonder that false religion is called BABYLON THE GREAT in the book of revelation and it tells Gods people TO GET OUT OF HER REVELATION 18;4

And what is the truth suggesting; remove faith in ignorance or perish to extinction.

Not much to debate; be honest and live or lie and die!

[mee]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

remove the self and the pride and think of your childs eyes; !

and said: "Truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU turn around and become as young children, YOU will by no means enter into the kingdom of the heavens. MATTHEW 18;3


wise words indeed from JESUS
Cultivating Childlike Humility WILL WORK WONDERS

true humility moves us to minister to others


Says Jesus "Whoever receives one of such young children on the basis of my name, receives me; and whoever receives me, receives, not me only, but also him that sent me forth." (Mark 9:37)


Jesus next highlights another lesson that adults can learn from children "Whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it." (Mark 10:15)


Children are not only humble they are teachable.

"They soak up information like sponges,"

[mee]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Hi Mee —

Just a quick note to show how your propaganda about the Trinity is a subtle deception:



So by the same rule, if anyone teaches One God, which was also prominent and practiced in Babylon, then their religion is similarly false?

'Hoist on your own petard' as the saying goes ... And quoting scripture won't help, as you've also declared that void, by the same argument.

Thomas

Babylon was full of worship in opposition to the true God , and anyone who did remain faithful to the true God would have done and acted on the words of the true God.


Is it any wonder, then, that Babylon’s sins massed together clear up to heaven? "Her judgment," said Jehovah through his prophet, "has reached up to heaven and has been lifted up even to the skies." The God of heaven, Jehovah, decreed Babylon’s doom.—Jer. 51:9, RS.

Another similarity exists between ancient and modern Babylon the great

one having to do with the manner of their destruction.

Ancient Babylon sat on waters, the literal waters of the Euphrates River.



Modern Babylon the great also "sits on many waters," says Revelation 17:1.

What are these waters? God’s Word answers

"The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues." (Rev. 17:15)


Note that the overthrow of ancient Babylon was immediately preceded by the dropping of the literal waters of the Euphrates River.





Is there a similar dropping of the symbolic waters (humans) from underneath modern Babylon the great? Yes, there is, and it is taking place right before our very eyes!


Rev. 16:1, 12.

[mee]

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they remove the ability or desire of learning true knowledge
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very true indeed, you have hit the nail on the head , there is great opposition to true knowledge .

but listening to Jesus will lead to EVERLASTING LIFE

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.
JOHN 17;3


The true God is as PSALM 83;18 informs us JEHOVAH

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth. PSALM 83;18

And the one he sent forth is his son JESUS CHRIST

For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.

john 3;16-17

Taking in knowledge about both of these ones leads to EVERLASTING LIFE and its all in the bible and its all very good

[Bishadi]

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Originally Posted by Bishadi

what religions do; [/font]
they remove the ability or desire of learning true knowledge
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very true indeed, you have hit the nail on the head , there is great opposition to true knowledge .

how can anyone listen to hesus?

and if the knowledge of the same book you are talking about has existed and been observed for over the last 100 years and still no peace or answers that will bring equality to all mankind in the knowledge that was presented;

then it's not the correct form and to honor any of our parents, children or God (existence itself) then we 'each' must further the quest in compassion, honoring our parents, children and God, by duty not by faith.

The old has been tasted; and the majority on the globe didn't like it;

IT WAS NOT GOOD............ as in being the final word for mankind.....


ie.... you post someone else's opinions left years back and the only way any person could hold onto them is to retain fibs about magic and omnipotence, when in today's current knowledge, most all of the magic has been proven with real knowledge as to how it occurred rather than the foolish beliefs held within the ignorance of faith.

remember Nelson Barbour (founder of your belief system) said JC was coming in 1873 and when that did not happen, another date; a progression based on his error of knowledge.

and so even you could learn to evolve as had the creators of your faith (religion) has too as well......