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Old 08-07-2009, 11:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The 4 types of Sins

Sin is an act or thought which violate heavenly law

They are many kinds of sins but we can classify them as

-Original Sin : Only the Messiah (New Adam) can solve it

-Hereditary Sin: We are inheriting the good and bad from our own ancestors.

-Collective Sin: We are co-reponsible within our communities and nations

-Personal Sin: These are our individual violations
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Ok, Ill bite... please explain
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Ok, Ill bite... please explain
Explain what specifically ?
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duh, the sins... i dont get the hereditary sin.
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Re: The 4 types of Sins

(note as usual the below is my beliefs and current understanding....just as the original post is not fact but someone elses beliefs or understanding)


-Original Sin : Interestingly enough, not believed by the folks that wrote the bible, that wrote the story, the allegory, the creation mythology...but suddenly thousands of years later becomes this horrific doctrine that we are all evil

-Hereditary Sin: It's a dna thing, and a way to explain away your ills in this life.

-Collective Sin: Now I'll buy this one....except in all cases sin means missing the mark and we are not punished for our sins but by them...ie each action causes and equal and opposite reaction or you reap what you sow.

-Personal Sin: Read above...I don't believe in no santy claus keeping records of who's naughty and nice and dispensing coal and gifts accordingly.
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Re: The 4 types of Sins

by hereditary sin do you mean..." i had a hard life, no one loved me, thats why I commit crime", or is this I must be punished because my grandparents did (insert sin here)
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I thought all sins are personal...
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Re: The 4 types of Sins

Think you have it about right there Wil.

I think there is a 5th sin. Obsession with sin.
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Sol, she is asking you...I know from whence it comes but for me the first two are joke and non existent. The whole woe is me, I'm not worthy society is just not my bag.

Personal responsibility for everything. That is my understanding.
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That we agree on, wil, personal responsibility. yep
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I thought all sins are personal...
hee hee... reminds me of the oft heard quote.

"It's not personal, it's just business"

In this case its one of the biggest businesses/industries in the world...it's called religion.

Contemplate...the number of books sold...the number of TV and radio stations...the value of the land underneath 'places of worship' and sacred sites, the construction costs for these edifices, the trinkets sold, the classes taken...

Is there an industry larger?
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duh, the sins... i dont get the hereditary sin.
We are connected to our lineage not just physically but also spiritually.
What we do has consequences on our children too
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hee hee... reminds me of the oft heard quote.
"It's not personal, it's just business"
In this case its one of the biggest businesses/industries in the world...it's called religion.
Contemplate...the number of books sold...the number of TV and radio stations...the value of the land underneath 'places of worship' and sacred sites, the construction costs for these edifices, the trinkets sold, the classes taken...Is there an industry larger?
Yes pornography in all its forms. Have you not heard the expression "sex sells"
It is misused everywhere. We are surrounded with it 24/7
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Yes pornography in all its forms. Have you not heard the expression "sex sells"
It is misused everywhere. We are surrounded with it 24/7
You got stats on that? How many billions in real estate that religious institutions hold and how much money goes thru their hands vs the porn industry?
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-Original Sin : Interestingly enough, not believed by the folks that wrote the bible, that wrote the story, the allegory, the creation mythology...but suddenly thousands of years later becomes this horrific doctrine that we are all evil
Who says we are ALL EVIL ? I never heard that
We have two natures, our original nature and our fallen nature. (Dr Jackal and mr Hide if you want). I think that it is hard to dispute

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-Hereditary Sin: It's a dna thing, and a way to explain away your ills in this life.
Actually it is real. It is not an excuse to justify our weakness or to compare with others. People can trace some of their challenges to past generation. Look at historical resentment going back far back that need to be overcome

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-Collective Sin: Now I'll buy this one....except in all cases sin means missing the mark and we are not punished for our sins but by them...ie each action causes and equal and opposite reaction or you reap what you sow.
We have some responsibility as a nation or a member of group for our actions

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-Personal Sin: Read above...I don't believe in no santy claus keeping records of who's naughty and nice and dispensing coal and gifts accordingly.
Our own spirit keeps record not somebody else.
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