The Antichrist Will Easily Take The World

[Faithfulservant]

I have to disagree plaid.. Ive experienced Satan.. and it was definitely the antithesis of Good. There is evil in this world... its sole purpose is to destroy the Good that God created.

[Plaidback]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Remember this is a forum for discussing issues about religion, not for telling other people what beliefs they should and should have, Plaidback.

I am discussing issues about Reality which, among other things contains
religion. I am very aware of what is " Organized religion ", my wife is
" Jehovas witness ".
I have never, on this forum tell anyone what beliefs they should or shouldn't have, never. If you have belief I did, please feel free to show everyone here,
where was plaidback telling someone what to think or do.
I have displayed what I feel, and know, which is the fact that do not Qualify
my statements as Beliefs.
Why don't you instead check the way, character that call himself Bandit,
( which is in my book, appropriate to what He does here ) relentlessly trying
to find way to call my statement a Belief, instead of to try to communicate, like other people do here.

much respect !

[Plaidback]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I have to disagree plaid.. Ive experienced Satan.. and it was definitely the antithesis of Good. There is evil in this world... its sole purpose is to destroy the Good that God created.

You have absolute right to disagree with me, dear Faithfulservant, first book
of Torah, book of Job have showed us Experience of Satan, that is hard to match.
But then, there is other thing, inevitable prophecies, that showing us where are we right now. And I feel ( which is what I see, and know, not Believe )
we are in Revelation 20.
Where, in Rev. 20:1-3, John have vision of an Angel with the Key ( that Jesus
promised/prophecized in Matt.16:17,18,19 ), that is going to " Lock " (or however you want to feel lock) Satan for "thousand years"/"one day", Right before that day of God happend, in Joel 2:31-32
Beginning of that day of God, for those who are chosen to call His name when it happend, have already started, it's just that, pretty soon everyone else on the planet would be aware of it.
You have experience something truly bad, truogh certain scenario that was wastly accepted as " Evil ".
When you manage to understand,( or what I like to refer as " feel " ) that
infact God created Everything including " evil ", because we, people, live,
feel, and die one way or another, you might see dimension of destiny, one are
destined to live, other to die. Natural balance in nature, as part of that nature. And above All, it was written long time ago, so Everything History
( as science ) told us, couldn't happen any other way.
Therefore " evil " ( which spelled backward gives us " live " ) is Good,
it must be, 'cause it's from God.

[BlaznFattyz]

everything god creates is good indeed at the moment of its creation; however, we need to first seperate man and angels from all other creations. for man and angels are good in their creation, they choices they are allowed to make on their own is what makes them bad. no, god did not make man and angels like robots. he wants us to love him on our own terms and make our own decisions.

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matt 7:13, 14)

lucifer made his own decision and there is consequence, evil men make their own decisions and their is consequence, and the antichrists make their own decisions and their is consequence. there is nothing good about being thrown into hell by god.

After Satan sinned, God threw him out of heaven to the earth (Is. 14:12; Ezek. 28:16,17). His final punishment will come shortly after the end of the millennial reign of Christ on the earth. At that time, Satan will be "cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" (Rev. 20:10).

[stevemb88]

Exactly, causality, cause and effect if a man does good then he will reap good if he does bad then he will reap evil, for every choice a consequence.

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Plaidback, and welcome to CR!

You seem to have a rather, ummm, unique way of defining some words. What you are going out of your way to not call "Belief," (words like "feel," "understand," "know" etc) are what most people call belief. I have not "seen" God with my human eyes, but I know "He" exists in some form, I have seen things in my life that can not otherwise be explained. But those things are not proof to anyone but me. How would you know if I was a looney? Likewise, how can I know about you?

Therefore " evil " ( which spelled backward gives us " live " ) is Good,
it must be, 'cause it's from God.

I have seen you suggest things like this elsewhere, perhaps earlier in this thread? That there is no such thing as evil because God created all...

If so, then there is no such thing as sin. If there is no such thing as sin, there is no need for religion. If there is no need for religion, there is no need for morality. If there is no need for morality, there is no need for God.

So go ahead, rape, pillage, plunder...it's all good.

Not.

[Plaidback]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Plaidback, and welcome to CR!

Thank you, very kind of you

You seem to have a rather, ummm, unique way of defining some words. What you are going out of your way to not call "Belief," (words like "feel," "understand," "know" etc) are what most people call belief.

Most of people have their own way of defining words, that is what makes us
Unique, unlike waste majority of organized religion believers.
Are you trying to tell me that "I know" and "I feel" is same as "I believe" ?
So, my life, who I am, my parents, my child, everything I know and have experienced is actualy my belief ?
I can not exist, without believing, is that what it is.
Have you ever heard of concept called truth ?

I have not "seen" God with my human eyes, but I know "He" exists in some form, I have seen things in my life that can not otherwise be explained. But those things are not proof to anyone but me. How would you know if I was a looney? Likewise, how can I know about you?

Have you ever heard concept of God ( one and only ) being alfa & omega,
beginning and the end, creator of Everything ( I am not sure, can I stress
enough meaning of " Everything " ), Living God ( I guess we're clear on
" Living " ) He gave you life from beginning to an end, your mother gave you
birth. So He is you, as long you're alive, and same way everyone else.
And there is our Spirit, that is Unique, unless is Holy .
Do you know who are we, to judge eachother ?
All you need to know about me, are words that I wrote,
who cares what I am .

I have seen you suggest things like this elsewhere, perhaps earlier in this thread? That there is no such thing as evil because God created all...

Why don't you tell us who created everything ? There is more than one creator ??
What can that "Satan" create, besides an Belief ??

If so, then there is no such thing as sin. If there is no such thing as sin, there is no need for religion. If there is no need for religion, there is no need for morality. If there is no need for morality, there is no need for God.

So go ahead, rape, pillage, plunder...it's all good.

Not.

Answer to this statements, is that you still don't understand that God is
Everything . If our lives are our creation, than Torah and NT are Lies.

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Plaidback!

Originally Posted by Plaidback

Most of people have their own way of defining words, that is what makes us Unique

As a poet, I can agree to an extent. That is what makes English a living language, the stretching of definitions of words. But even a poet does not change a word's definition in a wholesale manner as you do with the word "belief."

As a scholar I am also very aware of the necessity to have some standard of meaning, a common understanding, applied to words. Otherwise, what you say and what I hear may be two very different things, which is not very conducive to meaningful discussion.

Are you trying to tell me that "I know" and "I feel" is same as "I believe" ?

No. It seems to me you are. If this is not so, please explain using words having common definitions and mutual understanding between us.

Have you ever heard of concept called truth ?

Have you? The burden of proof is on you here, not me.

Have you ever heard concept of God ( one and only ) being alfa & omega,
beginning and the end, creator of Everything ( I am not sure, can I stress
enough meaning of " Everything " )

It is written, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

So, who am I to believe; you, or God? Are you calling God a liar by saying that evil cannot exist because God created evil? Or are you once again abandoning established understanding and suggesting that evil is not really evil because God created it?

So He is you, as long you're alive, and same way everyone else.
And there is our Spirit, that is Unique, unless is Holy .

This may be your belief, and you are welcome to it. I do not agree.

Do you know who are we, to judge eachother ?

Do you?

Why don't you tell us who created everything ?

I don't need to. I just finished letting the prophet Isaiah speak for me, verse 45:7 as a reminder.

What can that "Satan" create, besides an Belief ??

Illusion. But then, that's just my belief.

Answer to this statements, is that you still don't understand that God is
Everything . If our lives are our creation, than Torah and NT are Lies.

Your argument here is skewed. I do not even begin to see what you are driving at, and I have looked at every angle I can think of. What bearing does this have on anything to do with reality? We do not create ourselves. I believe God creates each of us. Yet not all of us are good. In fact, Christian tradition is that none of us is good by our own merits, "God within" or not. So, whether I understand that God is everything is irrelevent. It has nothing to do with my walk with God in this life in this place at this time. Nor does it have anything at all to do with where I end up when my sojourn here is finished.

Rather, it seems to me you are judging me and others here. Which means you still don't understand.

I do not in any way wish to seem provocative. The simple truth is that I do not understand your point of view. If you choose to redefine words at whim in order to satisfy your own ego, that is OK within your own personal domain. Whatever floats your boat. Just don't expect anyone else to understand, and you cannot in reality be upset with them if they do not understand, when your definitions are not common usage and you do not take the time to clarify what you mean. And for a word as simple, well defined and long-standing as "belief"...well...you just can't expect the people of the world to change their understanding to suit your personal whim.

[juantoo3]

We do not create ourselves.

I feel the need to clarify this. We do not create ourselves in the sense of sperm and egg, our initial material expression. That is God's gift to us. After we are born, and particularly after we come of age, we do in fact create ourselves. We choose, on a daily basis, who and what we will be. That is our gift to God.

And the act of creating ourselves in no way negates the Torah or the NT. I would suggest that these sacred books of wisdom, and others, are what are given to us to guide us in our creation of ourselves. Beautiful paradox!

[stevemb88]

I sense some hostility in here, i think its getting pretty heated . Anyways...

All you need to know about me, are words that I wrote,
who cares what I am .

I actually think that the words that you write down on this page are the core of who you are; your beliefs and your thoughts are all you really have in the end, besides having God on your team! I think that what you write in this forum is an ultimate form of expression, not hindered by your "outside life" (your family life, work, any issues you may have).

[BlaznFattyz]

im not picking and choosing or trying to appease others, i go by this.

1 John 4:2-3: "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

[Plaidback]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

It is written, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

I do not even begin to see what you are driving at

Information, that we are capable to, either, receive, or, transmit,
can be either lie or truth. And there is nothing in between. just like the verse that BlaznFattyz ( over here in Cleveland, Blazin' Fatty is fat marijuana joint, made with Cigar skin, or something ) have mentioned, 1 John 4:2-3 .
As an Effect, caused by opposite understanding, argument have brought
picture of me, as someone who never heard of Satan. Which is not right.
All I'm saying is that, I feel prophecy by John in Rev. 20:1-3 , is about these very days. And our lives are more important now, then anyone elses before.
All I am saying is that God created Everything. And everything that contradicts that truth is Lie.

[Plaidback]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

im not picking and choosing or trying to appease others, i go by this.

1 John 4:2-3: "This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

That is why you are Christian, and that's where meaning of that verse ends.
Now, are you going to feel who is Jesus for real ? , is matter of your destiny,
not belief.
John 6:63 Jesus said " The spirit gives life ; the flesh ( Human effort ),
counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
6:64 " Yet there are some of you who do not believe* "
65 " This is why I told you that no one come to me, unless the Father
has enabled Him "
6:44 " For people can't come to me unless the Father who sends me
draws him, and I will raise him up @ the last day."

It is all about His choice, which can not be ours. It's all about being chosen
or not, chosen by blood. Clearly enough, even desciples who lived with
Jesus, witnessed all , and yet, couldn't feel that He is God. John 6:66
If you do not feel what is truth or not, maybe one day you will, or,
you never will.

* I feel, therefore I am, if I believe I am, I am dead,( and only resurrection can bring me back to life )
2000 years ago word was "believe", today is "feel", which is different concept
with identical consequence.

John 14:6,7
" Jesus said, I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to
the Father except trough me . If you really knew me, you would know my
Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him."

Judeo-Christian concept of Idea that we Serve God, and are Going to die and
burn in Hell if we don't, sounds like Gestapo method to me, and I have never felt it.
We can not judge eachother, because, in that case, we would judge God's creation. God did that long time ago.
Love your neighbour as you love yourself, is the only commandment.
Because you are god as long as you live, and ,
there is nothing we can love more than ourselves.
Don't question your beliefs and feelings, because it couldn't be any different.

much love

[Plaidback]

Originally Posted by stevemb88

I sense some hostility in here, i think its getting pretty heated . Anyways...

Everything I know will take me Exactly, where I want to be. Same goes for
every other living person.
Jumping to an conclusion, is world's # 1 Sport, so there you are

I actually think that the words that you write down on this page are the core of who you are; your beliefs and your thoughts are all you really have in the end, besides having God on your team!

Not if the truth was told !
Jesus have said in John 14:10 " Don't you believe that I am in the Father and
the Father is in me ?
The words I say are not my own. Rather, it is the Father living in me, who is doing His work. "
Which is proof of ( what you've turn upside down ) One being on
God's Team.

I think that what you write in this forum is an ultimate form of expression, not hindered by your "outside life" (your family life, work, any issues you may have).

Maybe is just me, but I have only one life, that is part of single Reality.
What I write here is God, to feel what He created trough me you can check
it out if You click Here ,
Other than that, you will never know who I am.

much respect !

[stevemb88]

Maybe is just me, but I have only one life, that is part of single Reality.

I meant the issues that life brings with it. Once you start here it all just goes away for a couple of minutes because your thinking about the thing that makes you feel the best (religion).