the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective

[BlaznFattyz]

trying to set a date of 1914 is preaching the watchtower instead of the gospel. the bible clearly states no one knows the end times but god. the bible clearly shows that the second christ was born, he was king of kings. if you are compelled to repeat watchtower doctrine, the date of 607 as the fall of jerusalem that you are stating doesnt seem to be correct.

Following are citations verifying that the correct date for the fall of Jerusalem was not 607 B.C, but 586 B.C.

• According to Encyclopedia.com, the Babylonian captivity, is defined as "the period from the fall of Jerusalem (586 B.C.) to the reconstruction in Palestine of a new Jewish state (after 538 B.C.)."
• "You will recall that the Babylonians, under Nebuchadnezzar, after twice laying siege to Jerusalem, finally captured it in 586 B.C.E. Nebuchadnezzar's army then pillaged the city, destroying the Temple and sending the inhabitants off to exile in Babylonia.("Biblical Archaeological Review, Biblical Archaelogical Review).
• "...Nebuchadnezzar promptly invaded his unhappy country and besieged Jerusalem for a year and a half. In 587 Jerusalem fell and numbers of its inhabitants were carried away captive to Babylonia..." (Unger, Merrill, F., Unger's Bible Dictionary, Moody Press, Chicago, 1966, page 782).
  • Notice that the year 587 is offered instead of 586. There is sometimes a difference of opinion as to which year is the exact one. Nevertheless, it is obvious that 607 B.C. is not even close.
• "586, Jerusalem destroyed and burned (Jer. 52:13f.); people taken captive (52:28-30). (The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1982, page 1016)

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

trying to set a date of 1914 is preaching the watchtower instead of the gospel. the bible clearly states no one knows the end times but god. the bible clearly shows that the second christ was born, he was king of kings. if you are compelled to repeat watchtower doctrine, the date of 607 as the fall of jerusalem that you are stating doesnt seem to be correct.

Following are citations verifying that the correct date for the fall of Jerusalem was not 607 B.C, but 586 B.C.

• According to Encyclopedia.com, the Babylonian captivity, is defined as "the period from the fall of Jerusalem (586 B.C.) to the reconstruction in Palestine of a new Jewish state (after 538 B.C.)."
• "You will recall that the Babylonians, under Nebuchadnezzar, after twice laying siege to Jerusalem, finally captured it in 586 B.C.E. Nebuchadnezzar's army then pillaged the city, destroying the Temple and sending the inhabitants off to exile in Babylonia.("Biblical Archaeological Review, Biblical Archaelogical Review).
• "...Nebuchadnezzar promptly invaded his unhappy country and besieged Jerusalem for a year and a half. In 587 Jerusalem fell and numbers of its inhabitants were carried away captive to Babylonia..." (Unger, Merrill, F., Unger's Bible Dictionary, Moody Press, Chicago, 1966, page 782).
  • Notice that the year 587 is offered instead of 586. There is sometimes a difference of opinion as to which year is the exact one. Nevertheless, it is obvious that 607 B.C. is not even close.
• "586, Jerusalem destroyed and burned (Jer. 52:13f.); people taken captive (52:28-30). (The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1982, page 1016)

yes as you say , no one knows the day or the hour of Armaggeddon, only Jehovah knows that day , even Jesus does not know the day or the hour , but we do know that we are in the time of the end. regarding the 607 date,If we follow the accurate timekeeping of Jehovah God as recorded in his Word, we see that the desolation of Judah ran from 607 to 537 B.C.E. and we can avoid making the mistake of the chronologers of Christendom who ignore the prophecy of the seventy years’ desolation and date Jerusalem’s destruction as occurring in 587 B.C.E. They limit the desolation of Jerusalem and the land of Judah to merely fifty years, accepting the unreliable calculations of pagan historians rather than the infallible Word of God.—2 Chron. 36:19-23.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

yes as you say , no one knows the day or the hour of Armaggeddon, only Jehovah knows that day , even Jesus does not know the day or the hour , but we do know that we are in the time of the end. regarding the 607 date,If we follow the accurate timekeeping of Jehovah God as recorded in his Word, we see that the desolation of Judah ran from 607 to 537 B.C.E. and we can avoid making the mistake of the chronologers of Christendom who ignore the prophecy of the seventy years’ desolation and date Jerusalem’s destruction as occurring in 587 B.C.E. They limit the desolation of Jerusalem and the land of Judah to merely fifty years, accepting the unreliable calculations of pagan historians rather than the infallible Word of God.—2 Chron. 36:19-23.

That is a contradiction of terms. Either we claim we know the end (as is the attempt to describe below the highlighted statement), or we do not know (as noted in the first part of the highlighted statement). I find it disturbing for humans to admit that Jesus doesn't even know the time, but we humans do? Or we humans have a better idea than that of Jesus?

I doubt it.

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Q

[aburaees]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

That is a contradiction of terms. Either we claim we know the end (as is the attempt to describe below the highlighted statement), or we do not know (as noted in the first part of the highlighted statement). I find it disturbing for humans to admit that Jesus doesn't even know the time, but we humans do? Or we humans have a better idea than that of Jesus?

I doubt it.

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Q

I don't believe that is what he meant. I'm assuming that 1914 date and beyond is referring to the end times, and the "hour", which nobody but the father knows, is the culmination of the end times.

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[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by aburaees

I don't believe that is what he meant. I'm assuming that 1914 date and beyond is referring to the end times, and the "hour", which nobody but the father knows, is the culmination of the end times.

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Welcome to CR Aburaees. This is an exercise of thought between me and Mee. If you look throughout our posts, you will find we debate these issues regularly.

He knows exactly what I meant.

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Q

[BlaznFattyz]

jesus, during the time he was on earth, may not have known the time as he was somewhat limited in knowledge being born human, but since he was resurrected back to heaven from where he came, he does know the hour now sitting on his throne in heaven as the omnipotent god. for people to continue to say that jesus does not know the hour, is speaking out of context and time.

[RubySera_Martin]

Originally Posted by mee

1914—A

Significant Year in Bible Prophecy

DECADES in advance, Bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. What were these, and what evidence points to 1914 as such an important year?

Mee, thank you for posting this. Q, I realize that everyone's interpretation is just that--an interpretation, but I find it of great interest to see how various individuals interpret the Bible and why.

[RubySera_Martin]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

if you are compelled to repeat watchtower doctrine, the date of 607 as the fall of jerusalem that you are stating doesnt seem to be correct.

Following are citations verifying that the correct date for the fall of Jerusalem was not 607 B.C, but 586 B.C.

Listen, BlaznFattyz, I begged Mee to give the info. You're just quibbling about details. It's not as though Mee pushed it on us. Unfortunately, I didn't get back to this thread until now and I appreciate that Mee shared JW beliefs as I asked. My sincere apologies for not getting back sooner. It's actually inexcusable--I simply forgot that I had asked such an important question. I ask forgiveness if you can extend it. If not, I know I deserve your anger.

Ruby

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

jesus, during the time he was on earth, may not have known the time as he was somewhat limited in knowledge being born human, but since he was resurrected back to heaven from where he came, he does know the hour now sitting on his throne in heaven as the omnipotent god. for people to continue to say that jesus does not know the hour, is speaking out of context and time.

This would contradict scripture. Jesus stated no one knows the hour but the Father.

Are you presuming that things would change once Jesus ascended into heaven?

There is nothing to collaborate that, that I'm aware of.

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Q

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

This would contradict scripture. Jesus stated no one knows the hour but the Father.

Are you presuming that things would change once Jesus ascended into heaven?

There is nothing to collaborate that, that I'm aware of.

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Q

of course things changed once he went back to heaven, he left his status of being human on earth with limitations to being god in heaven with omnipotence once again.

[mee]

Originally Posted by aburaees

I don't believe that is what he meant. I'm assuming that 1914 date and beyond is referring to the end times, and the "hour", which nobody but the father knows, is the culmination of the end times.

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yes that is correct , the time of the end ,or the last days , started in 1914 but the great day of Jehovah(Armaggeddon) no one knows the day or the hour , as the bible informs me in the following verses .
Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father. 33 Keep looking, keep awake, for you do not know when the appointed time is . mark 13;32
(Matthew 24:36) "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.
(Matthew 25:13) "Keep on the watch, therefore, because you know neither the day nor the hour....................... Jehovah has an appointed time to bring Armageddon and only he knows the day and the hour. i am glad that the early bible students kept awake to bible prophecy and chronology because now they are not in the dark about where we are in the stream of time. but they have prepared themselves and concealed themselves to sail through the great tribulation .and those who listen to them .

[mee]

Death—Can We Understand It?
What occurs after death can be like a great question mark. ...interesting link

[enton]

Originally Posted by mee

Death—Can We Understand It?
What occurs after death can be like a great question mark. ...interesting link

The Name of God

" Now, God’s name and its pronunciation have become a debatable issue. ...And if we are going to refer to the foreword of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, which was translated by the Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1950, it says—

“While inclining to view the pronunciation “Yahweh” as the more correct way, we have retained the form “Jehovah” because of people’s familiarity with it since the 14th century.”

For full reading, click "The Name of God".

[mee]

Originally Posted by enton

The Name of God

" Now, God’s name and its pronunciation have become a debatable issue. ...And if we are going to refer to the foreword of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, which was translated by the Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1950, it says—

“While inclining to view the pronunciation “Yahweh” as the more correct way, we have retained the form “Jehovah” because of people’s familiarity with it since the 14th century.”

For full reading, click "The Name of God".

links from anything other than the official JW site will never lead to accurate knowledge , i find it is always best to go to the official site, as it leads to accurate knowledge .http://www.watchtower.org/
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures and of coarse the bible itself............................................ .................................................. ...And they know that Thou -- (Thy name [is] Jehovah -- by Thyself,) [Art] the Most High over all the earth!.....YOUNGS LITRAL TRANSLATION

[enton]

Originally Posted by mee

links from anything other than the official JW site will never lead to accurate knowledge , i find it is always best to go to the official site, as it leads to accurate knowledge .http://www.watchtower.org/
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures and of coarse the bible itself............................................ .................................................. ...And they know that Thou -- (Thy name [is] Jehovah -- by Thyself,) [Art] the Most High over all the earth!.....YOUNGS LITRAL TRANSLATION

Anyway, let's see if the Jehovah's witnesses are really preferring to incline to believe of the Hebrew Name of God:

How Is God's Name Pronounced?

The truth is, nobody knows for sure how the name of God was originally pronounced. Why not? Well, the first language used in writing the Bible was Hebrew, and when the Hebrew language was written down, the writers wrote only consonants—not vowels. Hence, when the inspired writers wrote God's name, they naturally did the same thing and wrote only the consonants.
http://www.watchtower.org/library/na/index.htm

The Divine Name Through the Ages

In 1975 and 1976, archaeologists working in the Negeb uncovered a collection of Hebrew and Phoenician inscriptions on plaster walls, large storage jars and stone vessels. The inscriptions included the Hebrew word for God, as well as God's name, YHWH, in Hebrew letters.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/na/index.htm

Oh! God's Name - YHWH. But why did they prefer their neology "Jehovah" instead?
Well, the technique is reconstruction:
YHWH (they don't like, but they believe it.)
JHVH (they prefer, but they can't pronounce it.)
J ( E ) H ( O ) V ( A ) H

I wonder who told these JHVHs witnesses that the incorrect JHVH form must be infixed with the vowels e, o, and a (and to exclue, i and u) , while they accepted YHWH as God's Name.