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Re: the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective
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Originally Posted by tommy
I see the Witnesses out helping people spiritually on their own time and making a significant contribution of work all voluntarily. I know many who went to New Orleans (several times) to help out on building projects.
What is God's will? What do we pray for to come in the the Lord's prayer? It's not what we have now.
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Tommy,
I am surprised. You skirted around my question as well. That, I did not expect. A simple yes or no would have sufficed.
But like my father (the lawyer) says, "don't ask a question in court that you don't allready know the answer to..."
JWs have removed themselves from the world...including the needy, whom are considered beneath them. That, my friend is why JWs will never rise in the world as a strong "Christian front". Words are cheap. Actions...are priceless.
I pray you find the path you seek.
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09-01-2006, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Quahom1
You know, it just dawned on me. JWs WANT the end of days. They want it to happen RIGHT NOW. They have given up, and want God to fix everything. So they sit and wait, instead of getting up and doing something about the condition of man...
And I am curious about the JW contributions to the world at large (as in charity work, giving of time, resources, self), as I do not see any effort (I may be way off base), towards man's betterment in general.
And JWs are not the only group guilty of throwing in the towel, not by a long shot. But most of the "Christian faiths" the JWs belittle, are quite active in their approach to giving to those in need...
So, what have the JWs done for those in need? (I'm not talking about other JWs, but about the rest of the world). Not much from what I read or have seen...
"Ye are known by your fruits..." (para)
Tell me, am I mistaken?
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the last days are already here , its not a case of wanting the end days , we are already living in the last days , as 2 timothy 3;1-5 informs us
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away........................ so its not a case of JW giving up , its a case of JW recognizing where we are in the stream of time, and did not jesus say that his presence in kingdom power would be just as the days of noah were.
Drawing a parallel between then and now, Jesus said: "Just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be."—Matthew 24:37.
Having a clear understanding of the parallel between that time and our day fortifies our conviction that the end of the present world is near.
Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance, and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.
After being given divine warning of things not yet beheld," says the apostle Paul, "[Noah] showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household." (Hebrews 11:7) What about us?
many years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914
sincere students of the Bible have learned from the inspired Scriptures that this system is doomed to destruction. just as in noahs day, but not by a litral flood
An integral part of the Kingdom message preached earth wide by Jehovah’s Witnesses is the warning that God’s Kingdom will soon remove human rulership. (Daniel 2:44) This warning is not to be taken lightly. Almighty God always keeps his word. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) He did in Noah’s day, and he will in our day.—2 Peter 3:3-7.
a point of similarity between the present day and the pre-Flood world is seen in the work that Noah was commissioned to do. Noah constructed a huge ark. He was also "a preacher." (2 Peter 2:5) What message did he preach? Noah’s preaching evidently included a call for repentance and a warning of coming destruction. Jesus said that the people of Noah’s day "took no note until the flood came and swept them all away."—Matthew 24:38, 39. so JW dont sit back and wait for things to happen , they are doing the work that Jesus wants done, they are helping people to put themselves on Jehovahs side
When that work is completed to God’s satisfaction, the end is certain to come.—Matthew 24:14. and yes MANY from all nations are being benefited from this life saving work. when Jesus was on the earth he fed people SPIRITUALLY first, and i know for a fact that i have been spiritually fed by JW. so this is what Jesus wants his diciples to be doing in this time of the end
Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." matthew 28;19-20 yes they are doing just what Jesus instructed them to do. this system of things is on the way out ,but better times are ahead . this is not to say that it is wrong to help in a material way, as you mentioned many help others , but for christians the life saving spiritual work is the command from Jesus
The parallel between Noah’s day and our day does not end with the badness of the people and their destruction. As there were Flood survivors, so there will be those who survive the end of the present system of things. The Flood survivors were meek ones who did not live as the people in general did. They heeded the divine warning and kept separate from the wicked world of that time. yes better times are ahead,
And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more;
And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be.
But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace psalm 37-10-11
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09-01-2006, 08:54 AM
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Re: the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective
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Originally Posted by Quahom1
So, what have the JWs done for those in need? (I'm not talking about other JWs, but about the rest of the world). Not much from what I read or have seen...
"Ye are known by your fruits..." (para)
Tell me, am I mistaken?
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most of JW throughout the world, have come out of the world from all nations. they were not born JW . they are learning Gods education about being peaceful people , many were doing things out of harmony with Gods way of doing things, so to be taught by Jehovah means that they become law abiding people, many of the problems in the world are caused by people living out of harmony of Gods ways , and the bible education that JW teach leads to better people , nolonger do they go along with the immoral , bad ways of this system, they are taught Gods ways. yes as you say ...... they are known by their fruits, bible education leads to good fruitage.
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09-01-2006, 09:08 AM
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"Ironically, millions who profess faith in the God of the Bible do not use his personal name."
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yes this is very true , yet the bible informs us at psalm 83;18 that he wants his name known , and as his name means ........... he causes to become......... this will happen nothing can stop his purpose from being fullfilled.
And in that day you will certainly say: "Give thanks to Jehovah,you people! Call upon his name. Make known among the peoples his dealings. Make mention that his name is put on high. Make melody to Jehovah, for he has done surpassingly. This is made known in all the earth.Isaiah 12;4-5
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09-01-2006, 04:12 PM
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"Ironically, millions who profess faith in the God of the Bible do not use his personal name."
it is not ironic, it is a prejudice statement. this statement seems to make a claim that people do not know the true god because they do not address god as jehovah or their faith means less than anothers who use the name jehovah. however, it is not so. like a child, we call our fathers; daddy, dad, or father. i never use my dad's name out of respect and cultural reasons. whether i use his name or his affectionate title, im still addressing the same person. same with god, whether one uses the more correct name of yahweh, or the affectionate and personal title of god, or father, it is one in the same god, my personal god, who only knows the strength of my faith.
christians do know gods various names, to state they do not is ignorant. yahweh being comparable to i am, there are however more names god goes by...
"And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" (Ex. 3:15).
When Jesus called to God from the cross he said: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46).
When teaching the disciples to pray, Jesus said, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed by thy name" (Matt. 6:9).
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09-01-2006, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz
"Ironically, millions who profess faith in the God of the Bible do not use his personal name."
it is not ironic, it is a prejudice statement. this statement seems to make a claim that people do not know the true god because they do not address god as jehovah or their faith means less than anothers who use the name jehovah. however, it is not so. like a child, we call our fathers; daddy, dad, or father. i never use my dad's name out of respect and cultural reasons. whether i use his name or his affectionate title, im still addressing the same person. same with god, whether one uses the more correct name of yahweh, or the affectionate and personal title of god, or father, it is one in the same god, my personal god, who only knows the strength of my faith.
christians do know gods various names, to state they do not is ignorant. yahweh being comparable to i am, there are however more names god goes by...
"And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" (Ex. 3:15).
When Jesus called to God from the cross he said: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46).
When teaching the disciples to pray, Jesus said, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed by thy name" (Matt. 6:9).
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yes hallowed be his name .
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09-01-2006, 07:20 PM
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Jehovah Definition: The personal name of the only true God. His own self-designation. Jehovah is the Creator and, rightfully, the Sovereign Ruler of the universe. "Jehovah" is translated from the Hebrew Tetragrammaton, יהוה, which means "He Causes to Become." These four Hebrew letters are represented in many languages by the letters JHVH or YHWH.
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09-01-2006, 09:50 PM
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yes hallowed be his name eli eli, yahweh elohim, lord, god, father, etc..
"And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" (Ex. 3:15).
When Jesus called to God from the cross he said: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matt. 27:46).
When teaching the disciples to pray, Jesus said, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed by thy name" (Matt. 6:9).
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09-02-2006, 08:36 AM
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Re: the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective
Alright. Please show me 1914, in Daniel. Please, just show me. I really want to see 1914 as Biblical...
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09-03-2006, 04:55 AM
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Tommy,
I am surprised. You skirted around my question as well. That, I did not expect. A simple yes or no would have sufficed.
But like my father (the lawyer) says, "don't ask a question in court that you don't allready know the answer to..."
JWs have removed themselves from the world...including the needy, whom are considered beneath them. That, my friend is why JWs will never rise in the world as a strong "Christian front". Words are cheap. Actions...are priceless.
I pray you find the path you seek.
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Hey Josh:
OK, the Witnesses won't give some street person five bucks to go get smashed on some bad habit they can help with. But wouldn't you admit that you see them before 6:00 am in a laundry mat or bus stop trying to help someone spiritually.
I don't agree with the statement that they consider the needy beneath them as some of these lower income people have come into the truth and attend fellowship meetings.
I believe what the Witnesses teach about the truth about the Bible (world empire of false religion, new Heaven and new earth). I give to the poor and even send in $20 a month supporting a poor child's food in Central America and she sends me thank you letters and I really don't know what you mean.
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09-03-2006, 05:34 AM
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Alright. Please show me 1914, in Daniel. Please, just show me. I really want to see 1914 as Biblical...
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OK, I did a little research, here you go...
VERIFYING THE DATE 1914
16 Since autumn of 1914 was due to mark the end of the Gentile Times, what, according to God’s will, was then due to take place? This, namely, the stoppage of the trampling of the Gentile nations on what was symbolized by the ancient Davidic city of Jerusalem. The kingdom of Jehovah God by means of his anointed one of the royal line of David was no longer to be trampled on in contempt by the Gentile nations. The beginning of those Gentile Times was in 607 B.C.E. and was marked by the ruining of the kingdom of God. In opposite fashion, the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 C.E. was to be marked by the revival, the rebirth, of God’s kingdom in the hands of his anointed one or Messiah, Christ. It was the time marked for the coming of the Anointed One with the "legal right" to the crown and the time for Jehovah God to give it to him. This Messianic kingdom of God would then be a divine government for the Gentile nations to reckon with henceforth. Never would they be able to trample on it victoriously, even though they kept up their selfish endeavors to hold on to the sovereignty of all parts of the earth. Why so?
17 It was because the Messianic kingdom of God that was due to be born in 1914 is a heavenly government. It is beyond the reach of the Gentile governments and their spaceships and rockets. The earthly Jerusalem has nothing to do with it. Since Jesus Christ was put to death on Calvary outside the walls of Jerusalem in the year 33 C.E., that city has no connection with God’s Messianic kingdom.
18 Five days before his death Jesus rode into Jerusalem accompanied by a great crowd of joyful people. He offered himself to Jerusalem as her king. (Zech. 9:9; Matt. 21:1-11) But the ruling factors of Jerusalem rejected him. No earthly kingdom was given him. However, he had not preached an earthly kingdom. He preached the good news of God’s Messianic kingdom, and he and his disciples cried out: "The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near." (Matt. 4:17; 10:1-7) The long-foretold Messianic kingdom was to be a heavenly kingdom, a government whose seat was to be in what the Holy Bible symbolically calls "a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem." (Heb. 12:22) With a view to the setting up of the heavenly Messianic kingdom in 1914, Jehovah God raised his Son Jesus Christ from death on the third day and had him ascend back to heaven forty days later.—Acts 1:1-12.
19 However, Jesus’ ascension to heaven and his reappearance in the heavenly presence of Jehovah God did not bring the Gentile Times to an end, but God kept to His time schedule, looking forward to 1914. Jesus Christ had to wait, just as the inspired Bible writer of Hebrews 10:12, 13 tells us, saying: "This man offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet." This is a reference to Psalm 110:1, 2, where King David said prophetically concerning the coming Messiah or Christ: "The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: ‘Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.’ The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, saying: ‘Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.’"
20 God’s appointed time for the Lord Jesus Christ to start doing this was at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914, and it was until that momentous date that he was awaiting while seated at God’s right hand on the heavenly throne. That date 1914 was the time for the tables to be turned, the time for him as installed king to go subduing in the midst of his enemies rather than for the Gentiles to continue trampling on God’s Messianic kingdom.
21 Can there be any question that the heavenly kingdom of God by means of his anointed one or Messiah, Christ, was born and came to power at the end of the Gentile Times in early autumn of 1914? No! It is true that we who were then living on earth did not hear the announcement resounding throughout the heavens: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever." (Rev. 11:15) But we do remember seeing and hearing something here at the earth. What? The declaration of war by nation against nation; the tramping of millions of men marching to war; the total mobilization of nations for all-out war; the clanking of heavy mechanized firing equipment lumbering off to the front; the pious voices of priests and preachers of all denominations on both sides of the battle lines praying God’s blessing upon the soldiers on their side face to face with soldiers of the same religious faith on the enemy side; the religious chaplains acting as cheerleaders to the fighters; the contagion of war spreading, with already nine nations and globe encircling empires locked in war by October 1, 1914. We did hear and see this, from 1914 onward.
22 That first world war was not started by Jesus Christ, the newly enthroned King in heaven. Yet, was this not exactly what he had foretold three days before his death outside Jerusalem, saying: "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress"? Now, what was the question in answer to which Jesus Christ said this prophecy? This question of his apostles: "When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?" (Matt. 24:3, 7, 8) Even more so than any count of time, those events of 1914 and subsequent years marked that year as beginning the "conclusion of the system of things," inasmuch as the Gentile Times ended in autumn of that year. All this was visible and audible evidence that Jesus Christ had come into his heavenly kingdom, that he was present in his Messianic kingdom, that the realization of the vision seen by the prophet Daniel had taken place in the heavens:
23 "See there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin."—Dan. 7:13, 14.
24 Decades in advance searching Bible students had pointed forward to 1914 as the Biblically marked date. But when the accuracy of the time was confirmed by world events fulfilling Bible prophecy, our conviction too of what had taken place in the invisible heavens became overwhelming, and we were impelled to join with God’s faithful worshipers up in heaven in saying: "We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the one who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give their reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth."—Rev. 11:16-18. 25 Yes, at the end of the Gentile Times for the Gentile domination of the earth, Jehovah God the Almighty took to himself his great power to reign once again as King of all the realm of creation, including our earth. Having patiently permitted the Gentile domination of mankind for 2,520 years since 607 B.C.E., Jehovah God enthroned his Son, the Messianic Heir of King David, and turned over to this One with the "legal right" the domination of all the earth. This Messianic King, ruling in the "heavenly Jerusalem," will bring to ruin all the Gentiles who are ruining the earth, but his own God-given kingdom will never be brought to ruin.
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09-03-2006, 07:05 AM
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Charles Russell, after being exposed to the teachings of William Miller, founded his own organization - the Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1914 Russell predicted the return of Jesus Christ.
jw propaganda is based on numerological predictions and russelite calculations, and their continuous throwing of dice so they get snake-eyes on a realized predicition which would be their justification of being alleged prophets.
Here are other calculated dates that the Watchtower Society predicted. 1975 was computed as the 6000th anniversary of the creation of Adam in the Garden of Eden in 4026 BCE. They interpreted Psalms 90:10 as defining the length of a generation to be 80 years. Since 1914 plus 80 equals 1994, they predicted Armageddon would occur around that year. The latest estimate was 6000 years after the creation of Eve, for which no date can be determined with any accuracy.
a preoccupation of dates, numbers, watchtower doctrine, and rationalizing past false predictions away is a sad distraction from the lord and a bad case of denial.
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09-03-2006, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by tommy
Hey Josh:
OK, the Witnesses won't give some street person five bucks to go get smashed on some bad habit they can help with. But wouldn't you admit that you see them before 6:00 am in a laundry mat or bus stop trying to help someone spiritually.
I don't agree with the statement that they consider the needy beneath them as some of these lower income people have come into the truth and attend fellowship meetings.
I believe what the Witnesses teach about the truth about the Bible (world empire of false religion, new Heaven and new earth). I give to the poor and even send in $20 a month supporting a poor child's food in Central America and she sends me thank you letters and I really don't know what you mean.
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NO. I give, and let God judge. After the belly is full, then I might talk about salvation. I guess that is the difference between thee and me...
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09-03-2006, 09:06 AM
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[quote=tommy]OK, I did a little research, here you go...
I could have done that...and at least I go looking instead of taking a "Catholic writ" (or papal bull) as example.
If I wanted dogma, I could have looked it up myself...
Man that was not cool.
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OK, I did a little research, here you go...
VERIFYING THE DATE 1914
16 Since autumn of 1914 was due to mark the end of the Gentile Times, what, according to God’s will, was then due to take place? This, namely, the stoppage of the trampling of the Gentile nations on what was symbolized by the ancient Davidic city of Jerusalem. The kingdom of Jehovah God by means of his anointed one of the royal line of David was no longer to be trampled on in contempt by the Gentile nations. The beginning of those Gentile Times was in 607 B.C.E. and was marked by the ruining of the kingdom of God. In opposite fashion, the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 C.E. was to be marked by the revival, the rebirth, of God’s kingdom in the hands of his anointed one or Messiah, Christ. It was the time marked for the coming of the Anointed One with the "legal right" to the crown and the time for Jehovah God to give it to him. This Messianic kingdom of God would then be a divine government for the Gentile nations to reckon with henceforth. Never would they be able to trample on it victoriously, even though they kept up their selfish endeavors to hold on to the sovereignty of all parts of the earth. Why so? 17 It was because the Messianic kingdom of God that was due to be born in 1914 is a heavenly government. It is beyond the reach of the Gentile governments and their spaceships and rockets. The earthly Jerusalem has nothing to do with it. Since Jesus Christ was put to death on Calvary outside the walls of Jerusalem in the year 33 C.E., that city has no connection with God’s Messianic kingdom.
18 Five days before his death Jesus rode into Jerusalem accompanied by a great crowd of joyful people. He offered himself to Jerusalem as her king. (Zech. 9:9; Matt. 21:1-11) But the ruling factors of Jerusalem rejected him. No earthly kingdom was given him. However, he had not preached an earthly kingdom. He preached the good news of God’s Messianic kingdom, and he and his disciples cried out: "The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near." (Matt. 4:17; 10:1-7) The long-foretold Messianic kingdom was to be a heavenly kingdom, a government whose seat was to be in what the Holy Bible symbolically calls "a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem." (Heb. 12:22) With a view to the setting up of the heavenly Messianic kingdom in 1914, Jehovah God raised his Son Jesus Christ from death on the third day and had him ascend back to heaven forty days later.—Acts 1:1-12.
19 However, Jesus’ ascension to heaven and his reappearance in the heavenly presence of Jehovah God did not bring the Gentile Times to an end, but God kept to His time schedule, looking forward to 1914. Jesus Christ had to wait, just as the inspired Bible writer of Hebrews 10:12, 13 tells us, saying: "This man offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet." This is a reference to Psalm 110:1, 2, where King David said prophetically concerning the coming Messiah or Christ: "The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: ‘Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.’ The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, saying: ‘Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.’"
20 God’s appointed time for the Lord Jesus Christ to start doing this was at the end of the Gentile Times in 1914, and it was until that momentous date that he was awaiting while seated at God’s right hand on the heavenly throne. That date 1914 was the time for the tables to be turned, the time for him as installed king to go subduing in the midst of his enemies rather than for the Gentiles to continue trampling on God’s Messianic kingdom.
21 Can there be any question that the heavenly kingdom of God by means of his anointed one or Messiah, Christ, was born and came to power at the end of the Gentile Times in early autumn of 1914? No! It is true that we who were then living on earth did not hear the announcement resounding throughout the heavens: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever." (Rev. 11:15) But we do remember seeing and hearing something here at the earth. What? The declaration of war by nation against nation; the tramping of millions of men marching to war; the total mobilization of nations for all-out war; the clanking of heavy mechanized firing equipment lumbering off to the front; the pious voices of priests and preachers of all denominations on both sides of the battle lines praying God’s blessing upon the soldiers on their side face to face with soldiers of the same religious faith on the enemy side; the religious chaplains acting as cheerleaders to the fighters; the contagion of war spreading, with already nine nations and globe encircling empires locked in war by October 1, 1914. We did hear and see this, from 1914 onward.
22 That first world war was not started by Jesus Christ, the newly enthroned King in heaven. Yet, was this not exactly what he had foretold three days before his death outside Jerusalem, saying: "Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress"? Now, what was the question in answer to which Jesus Christ said this prophecy? This question of his apostles: "When will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?" (Matt. 24:3, 7, 8) Even more so than any count of time, those events of 1914 and subsequent years marked that year as beginning the "conclusion of the system of things," inasmuch as the Gentile Times ended in autumn of that year. All this was visible and audible evidence that Jesus Christ had come into his heavenly kingdom, that he was present in his Messianic kingdom, that the realization of the vision seen by the prophet Daniel had taken place in the heavens:
23 "See there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin."—Dan. 7:13, 14.
24 Decades in advance searching Bible students had pointed forward to 1914 as the Biblically marked date. But when the accuracy of the time was confirmed by world events fulfilling Bible prophecy, our conviction too of what had taken place in the invisible heavens became overwhelming, and we were impelled to join with God’s faithful worshipers up in heaven in saying: "We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the one who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give their reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth."—Rev. 11:16-18.
25 Yes, at the end of the Gentile Times for the Gentile domination of the earth, Jehovah God the Almighty took to himself his great power to reign once again as King of all the realm of creation, including our earth. Having patiently permitted the Gentile domination of mankind for 2,520 years since 607 B.C.E., Jehovah God enthroned his Son, the Messianic Heir of King David, and turned over to this One with the "legal right" the domination of all the earth. This Messianic King, ruling in the "heavenly Jerusalem," will bring to ruin all the Gentiles who are ruining the earth, but his own God-given kingdom will never be brought to ruin.
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Where in the Bible is "1914"? Answer the simple question, please.
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