the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective - Page 22

mee · 10-19-2006, 12:21 AM

Jesus

Christ

Definition: The only-begotten Son of God, the only Son produced by Jehovah alone. This Son is the firstborn of all creation. By means of him all other things in heaven and on earth were created. He is the second-greatest personage in the universe. It is this Son whom Jehovah sent to the earth to give his life as a ransom for mankind, thus opening the way to eternal life for those of Adam’s offspring who would exercise faith. This same Son, restored to heavenly glory, now rules as King, with authority to destroy all the wicked and to carry out his Father’s original purpose for the earth. The Hebrew form of the name Jesus means "Jehovah Is Salvation"; Christ is the equivalent of the Hebrew Ma·shi´ach (Messiah), meaning "Anointed One."

Quahom1 · 10-19-2006, 01:19 AM

Lol, Jesus the Christ. Son of God, with no beginning and no end. Creator of the Universe, One with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Redeemer, Savior, all roled into one and a bag of chips.

Faithfulservant · 10-19-2006, 04:36 AM

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Jesus

Christ

Definition: The only-begotten Son of God, the only Son produced by Jehovah alone. This Son is the firstborn of all creation. By means of him all other things in heaven and on earth were created. He is the second-greatest personage in the universe. It is this Son whom Jehovah sent to the earth to give his life as a ransom for mankind, thus opening the way to eternal life for those of Adam’s offspring who would exercise faith. This same Son, restored to heavenly glory, now rules as King, with authority to destroy all the wicked and to carry out his Father’s original purpose for the earth. The Hebrew form of the name Jesus means "Jehovah Is Salvation"; Christ is the equivalent of the Hebrew Ma·shi´ach (Messiah), meaning "Anointed One."

Umm The angel Michael told Mary to name the baby Immanuel which means
"God with us" or "With us is God" I think its very interesting that your definition of Christ left out that very important bit of information.

Not that you will even read a word of what I posted...

Im really trying to take Pauls advice.

BlaznFattyz · 10-19-2006, 06:00 AM

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..name the baby Immanuel which means
"God with us" or "With us is God" I think its very interesting that your definition of Christ left out that very important bit of information.

very interesting... was that on purpose?

aburaees · 10-19-2006, 07:30 AM

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Umm The angel Michael told Mary to name the baby Immanuel which means
"God with us" or "With us is God" I think its very interesting that your definition of Christ left out that very important bit of information.

Not that you will even read a word of what I posted...

Im really trying to take Pauls advice.

The angel Michael, who's name means "Who is like God", is someone we should be comparing to God then?

BlaznFattyz · 10-19-2006, 05:34 PM

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The angel Michael, who's name means "Who is like God", is someone we should be comparing to God then?

no, he is only an angel in the presence of god, not to be worshipped... the presence being god the father and the lamb on the throne who are to be worshipped.

Dor · 10-19-2006, 05:34 PM

Being like God and being God are 2 different things. Michael may be like God.....Jesus is God so Michael can not be Jesus..my bible says so.

Dondi · 10-19-2006, 05:54 PM

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Umm The angel Michael told Mary to name the baby Immanuel which means
"God with us" or "With us is God" I think its very interesting that your definition of Christ left out that very important bit of information.

Not that you will even read a word of what I posted...

Im really trying to take Pauls advice.

This is not quite correct. The angel Gabriel told Mary that His name will be Jesus (in both Matthew and Luke). The mention of Immanuel made after the same angel told Joseph His name is Jesus and that is when Matthew's explanation of a fulfilled prophesy from Isaiah 7:14 appears.

But when you look at the passage in Isaiah 7 in context, Immanuel is given to the name of a child as a sign to the Lord gives to Ahaz as a sign of judgement for Assyria and Ephraim. And that before this child comes of age, the land will be forsaken by both kings.

So then, by that logic, shouldn't the child referred to in Isaiah 7 be considered as "God with us", also?

Dor · 10-19-2006, 06:56 PM

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So then, by that logic, shouldn't the child referred to in Isaiah 7 be considered as "God with us", also?

Of course since it is considered(by most christians) as a messianic phophesy. But we have been down this road before haven't we.

Dondi · 10-19-2006, 07:13 PM

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Of course since it is considered(by most christians) as a messianic phophesy. But we have been down this road before haven't we.

So you are talking about the child in Isaiah's time, then, huh?

pattimax · 10-19-2006, 08:30 PM

He is the second-greatest personage in the universe.

I was not baptized in the name of the 2nd greatest personage in the universe!

moseslmpg · 10-19-2006, 09:16 PM

I thought his name was Yaheshua or Joshua back then, not Jesus. The Immanuel doesn't prove much either.

pattimax · 10-19-2006, 10:03 PM

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I thought his name was Yaheshua or Joshua back then, not Jesus. The Immanuel doesn't prove much either.

Not quite sure what you mean...
IMMANUEL (Im man' ew ehl) Personal name meaning, "God with us." Name of son to be born in Isaiah’s prophecy to King Ahaz (Isa. 7:14) and fulfilled in birth of Jesus (Matt. 1:22-23).--Holman Bible Dictionary

Faithfulservant · 10-20-2006, 12:16 AM

lol Dondi I actually knew that it was Gabriel my bad thanks for correcting that.

mee · 10-20-2006, 09:11 AM

This identity of Jesus Christ as Immanuel did not mean he was the incarnation of God, ‘God in the flesh,’ which proponents of the Trinity teaching claim is implied by the meaning of Immanuel, namely, "With Us Is God." It was a common practice among Jews to embody the word "God," even "Jehovah," in Hebrew names. Even today Immanuel is the proper name of many men; none of whom are incarnations of God.
If there seems to be a conflict between the angel’s instructions to Mary ("you are to call his name Jesus") and Isaiah’s prophecy ("she will certainly call his name Immanuel"), let it be remembered that Messiah was also to be called by yet other names. (Lu 1:31; Isa 7:14) For example, Isaiah 9:6 said concerning this one: "His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Yet none of these names were given to Mary’s firstborn as personal names, neither when he was a babe nor after he took up his ministry. Rather, they were all prophetic title-names by which Messiah would be identified. Jesus lived up to the meaning of these names in every respect, and that is the sense in which they were prophetically given, to show his qualities and the good offices he would perform toward all those accepting him as Messiah. So also with his title Immanuel. He measured up to and fulfilled its meaning.