the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective

[Dor]

Which Watchtower publication did that get copy and pasted from?

[Prober]

What about John and "The Logos".

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Dor

Which Watchtower publication did that get copy and pasted from?

there seems to be a preoccupation with denying the divinity of christ in many ways.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

there seems to be a preoccupation with denying the divinity of christ in many ways.

Yep some heretical beliefs never change this one date back to Arius. Was one primary reason for the First Council of Nicea.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

This identity of Jesus Christ as Immanuel did not mean he was the incarnation of God, ‘God in the flesh,’ which proponents of the Trinity teaching claim is implied by the meaning of Immanuel, namely, "With Us Is God." It was a common practice among Jews to embody the word "God," even "Jehovah," in Hebrew names. Even today Immanuel is the proper name of many men; none of whom are incarnations of God.
If there seems to be a conflict between the angel’s instructions to Mary ("you are to call his name Jesus") and Isaiah’s prophecy ("she will certainly call his name Immanuel"), let it be remembered that Messiah was also to be called by yet other names. (Lu 1:31; Isa 7:14) For example, Isaiah 9:6 said concerning this one: "His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace." Yet none of these names were given to Mary’s firstborn as personal names, neither when he was a babe nor after he took up his ministry. Rather, they were all prophetic title-names by which Messiah would be identified. Jesus lived up to the meaning of these names in every respect, and that is the sense in which they were prophetically given, to show his qualities and the good offices he would perform toward all those accepting him as Messiah. So also with his title Immanuel. He measured up to and fulfilled its meaning.

Jesus is God:

Let's compare the Old and New Testaments concerning testimony to Jesus' identity as Yahweh (God Almighty). Isaiah 43:11 for example states that only God is Savior, yet Titus 2:13-14 calls Jesus Savior. Isaiah 44: 24 indicates that only God is Creator yet John 1;3 and Colossians 1:16 call Jesus Creator.

God's glory Isaiah 6:1-5 equates with Jesus' glory in John 12:41.

The Divine names like Yahweh and Elohim (Isaiah 40:3) are also applied to Jesus (Mark 1: 24)

Yahweh gives and preserves life (Psalm 119:25, 37, 40, 50,88,93, 107, 149, 154, 156, 159). Jesus gives and preserves life (John 5:21).

Yahweh's voice is like the roar of rushing waters (Ezekiel 43:2). The glorified Jesus is also (Revelation 1:15).

Only God is worshipped (Exodus 34:14). Jesus is worshipped (Matt 2:11, 8:2, 9:18, 15:25, 28:9, John 9:38, Hebrews 1:6).

Not only that, Jesus received and condoned the worship of Himself, which presents compelling evidence as to His true identity. Apparently the authors of the Old and New Testament understood quite clearly that God is the embodement of the meanings of the names, and so is Jesus.

God is a Trinity:

Now the arguement is that there is no trinity, and that God is one. However, the Bible provides three points of evidence that supports That God is one, but the unity of the Godhead is three co-equal and co-eternal persons...that is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, equal in divine nature but distinct in personhood.

1. Only one true God exists (Isaiah 44:6, 46:9, John 5:44, 17:3, Romans 3:29-30, 16:27, 1Corinthians 8:4, Galations 3:20, Ephesians 4:6, 1Timothy 2:5, and James 2:19).

2. Three persons are God - The Father (1Peter 1:2), The Son (Hebrews 1:8), and The Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4).

3. The Godhead has three-in-Oneness (Matt 28:19, where Father, Son and Holy Spirit are under a singular name of God), and (Corinthians 13:14).

The trouble here Mee, is that you are attempting to use "Reason" to argue the True Identity of Jesus, and the validity of the Trinity, while I use facts as noted in scripture (both Old, compared with New Testament passages), side by side. I let the authors' words speak for themselves, instead of my own reasoning. By doing this I exclude the potential for possible misinterpretation on my own part.

[mee]

[quote=Quahom1]Jesus is God:

Let's compare the Old and New Testaments concerning testimony to Jesus' identity as Yahweh (God Almighty). Isaiah 43:11 for example states that only God is Savior, yet Titus 2:13-14 calls Jesus Savior. Isaiah 44: 24 indicates that only God is Creator yet John 1;3 and Colossians 1:16 call Jesus Creator.

quote]yes ,its only because of Jehovah that he sent his son to earth and we can gain everlasting life through his son Jesus christ. there is no other saviour that can do that . and the power for all the creation comes from the Almighty Jehovah God ,through his son Jesus christ . yes Jesus plays a very big part in Jehovahs purpose ,there is no one else .

[Quahom1]

[quote=mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Jesus is God:

Let's compare the Old and New Testaments concerning testimony to Jesus' identity as Yahweh (God Almighty). Isaiah 43:11 for example states that only God is Savior, yet Titus 2:13-14 calls Jesus Savior. Isaiah 44: 24 indicates that only God is Creator yet John 1;3 and Colossians 1:16 call Jesus Creator.

quote]yes ,its only because of Jehovah that he sent his son to earth and we can gain everlasting life through his son Jesus christ. there is no other saviour that can do that . and the power for all the creation comes from the Almighty Jehovah God ,through his son Jesus christ . yes Jesus plays a very big part in Jehovahs purpose ,there is no one else .

Unfortunately, there is a slight problem. jehovah is God (you say). Scripture apparently concurrs that Jesus is God as well. Hence Jehovah is Jesus. And the term "Jehovah" is no where in the bible, so you must be referring to Yahweh, which is another specific identifier for Jesus, according to scripture. If not, then I don't know who Jehovah is identifying, but clearly the name does not exist in the original scriptures (not by that spelling anyway).

Is Jehovah the Father to you? If so, then it is a substitute for Yahweh (Anglicanised version of a Hebrew Abbreviation or word with no vowels), which identifies both Father and Son, as one and the same. (I didn't make this up Mee). I just read all the Scripture that indeed identifies Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

And both are Called Yahweh, as is the Holy Spirit.

edit: I do not doubt your belief, at all. I do have to contend with what scripture says, and it appears there is a conflict here (not between you and me, but between what you tell me, and what scripture points out).

[mee]

[quote=Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

Unfortunately, there is a slight problem. jehovah is God (you say). Scripture apparently concurrs that Jesus is God as well. Hence Jehovah is Jesus. And the term "Jehovah" is no where in the bible, so you must be referring to Yahweh, which is another specific identifier for Jesus, according to scripture. If not, then I don't know who Jehovah is identifying, but clearly the name does not exist in the original scriptures (not by that spelling anyway).

Is Jehovah the Father to you? If so, then it is a substitute for Yahweh (Anglicanised version of a Hebrew Abbreviation or word with no vowels), which identifies both Father and Son, as one and the same. (I didn't make this up Mee). I just read all the Scripture that indeed identifies Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

And both are Called Yahweh, as is the Holy Spirit.

edit: I do not doubt your belief, at all. I do have to contend with what scripture says, and it appears there is a conflict here (not between you and me, but between what you tell me, and what scripture points out).

yes the scriptures alway harmonize when the accurate understanding is applied.Jesus really is Gods son as he himself said.

[mee]

As this is a JW thread i hope it is allowed to put this link up, i thought it was good ,but if you dont know sign language it wont make much sense anyway . it is about BABYLON THE GREAT so who knows sign language? take a look

[Quahom1]

[quote=mee]

Originally Posted by Mee

yes the scriptures alway harmonize when the accurate understanding is applied.Jesus really is Gods son as he himself said.

Actually, the Scripture I set up in comparrison shows Jesus as God...as He said. Again, I didn't interpret anything. I just showed comparrison.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

As this is a JW thread i hope it is allowed to put this link up, i thought it was good ,but if you dont know sign language it wont make much sense anyway . it is about BABYLON THE GREAT so who knows sign language? take a look

LOL, I do. My wife Angela signs (so I had to learn too). I'll watch it and let you know what I think.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

LOL, I do. My wife Angela signs (so I had to learn too). I'll watch it and let you know what I think.

ok, Jehovah provides for the deaf also , this message on the link is a worldwide message that is being given in tract form around the world at the momment ,and Jehovah has provided this link for the deaf.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

ok, Jehovah provides for the deaf also , this message on the link is a worldwide message that is being given in tract form around the world at the momment ,and Jehovah has provided this link for the deaf.

What does this have to do with what we were discussing?

I stated "Actually, the Scripture I set up in comparrison shows Jesus as God...as He said. Again, I didn't interpret anything. I just showed comparrison".

The next thing we know, you're showing us were to read Jehovah Witness message from a deaf/mute person's perspective, and which dismissed most other Christian thought, I might add. (the two second bytes that attempt to counter JW theosophy).

Or maybe, you are telling me something very important. You can't hear me, and dismiss anything I might have to say...

Is that it?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

What does this have to do with what we were discussing?

I stated "Actually, the Scripture I set up in comparrison shows Jesus as God...as He said. Again, I didn't interpret anything. I just showed comparrison".

The next thing we know, you're showing us were to read Jehovah Witness message from a deaf/mute person's perspective, and which dismissed most other Christian thought, I might add. (the two second bytes that attempt to counter JW theosophy).

Or maybe, you are telling me something very important. You can't hear me, and dismiss anything I might have to say...

Is that it?

as this is a JW thread i am putting over JW perspective,i realize that you have what you believe.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

as this is a JW thread i am putting over JW perspective,i realize that you have what you believe.

As this is a Christian thread dedicated to the purpose of expressing Jehovah's Witnesse's thoughts, you are correct. And others can express their thoughts on the matter, or ask questions as well. That too is correct