the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

wouldnt that mean you are three people, cuz 1+1+1 does not equal 1 -haha

1 of 3 + 1 of 3 + 1 of 3 = 3 of 3, or 1. 1/3 + 1/3 +1/3 = 3/3, not 3/9. 3/3 = 1.

[mee]

Jesus said............because I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6;38 so the one who sent Jesus was his father Jehovah.
(John 4:34) Jesus said to them: "My food is for me to do the will of him that sent me and to finish his work............ yes doing the will of Jehovah was the work that Jesus was doing.
(John 5:30) I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me...........yes ,the one who sent Jesus was his father Jehovah. and Jesus was taught by his father Jehovah.
Jesus said to them: "If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth. John 8;42
(John 3:16) "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.

(John 5:19) Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: "Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.

(Galatians 4:4) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent forth his Son, who came to be out of a woman and who came to be under law,..........................Jesus plays a very big part in the out working of Gods purpose for the earth .and we should listen to him , because he was taught by the Almighty Jehovah God PSALM 83;18
(John 8:28) Therefore Jesus said: "When once YOU have lifted up the Son of man, then YOU will know that I am [he], and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me I speak these things.

(John 12:49) because I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak...............Yes Jesus certainly was in unity of purpose with his father Jehovah God.he did everything that his father asked of him.

"It has been accomplished!"

[mee]

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[BlaznFattyz]

What is false religion?

those that deny jesus is god come in the flesh, resurrected back to god in glory he from the beginning, and try to come to god the father on their own when christ has already come as our lord, god, and saviour.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by mee

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False religion is all the christian cults now that deny Christ his divinity.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dor

False religion is all the christian cults now that deny Christ his divinity.

false religion takes on manmade doctrines among other things as well , instead of true bible teachings. babylonish teachings mixed with bible teachings is offensive to the true God. many people down through the centuries have been led astray by babylonish teachings

Trinity

Definition: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three "Persons" are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.
What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?
According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, "The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions."—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.
John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: "The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians."—(New York, 1965), p. 899
Many persons think the trinity is a Christian teaching based on God’s Word, the Bible. but it is nothing to do with true bible teaching.

[Dor]

Mee, read the Bible yourself. Get away from the manmade Watchtower doctrine. Pray to God and open your eyes and you will see the truth. I am not about to show you where the Bible proves the Trinity cause you have been shown it before and either refuse to see it or have been so misled that you trust some magazine more than the Bible. Praying for your knowledge to come from God.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Dor

...read the Bible yourself. Get away from the manmade Watchtower doctrine. Pray to God and open your eyes and you will see the truth... you have been shown it before and either refuse to see it or have been so misled that you trust some magazine more than the Bible. Praying for your knowledge to come from God.

i agree

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dor

Mee, read the Bible yourself. Get away from the manmade Watchtower doctrine. Pray to God and open your eyes and you will see the truth. I am not about to show you where the Bible proves the Trinity cause you have been shown it before and either refuse to see it or have been so misled that you trust some magazine more than the Bible. Praying for your knowledge to come from God.

yes , looking to the bible is the way to go , with no manmade doctrines clouding the thought.
Having seen that there is no Scriptural support for the teaching of the trinity but much Scriptural evidence contradicting it, obviously it is not of divine origin. as many people are aware.
"The recognition of a trinity was universal in all the ancient nations of the world."—The Two Babylons, Hislop.
"The word triad, or trinity, was borrowed from the pagan schools of philosophy and introduced into the theology of Christians of the middle second century by Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch."—Bibliotheque Ecclesiastique, Dupin.
"Trinity is a very marked feature in Hindooism, and is discernible in Persian, Egyptian, Roman, Japanese, Indian and the most ancient Grecian mythologies."—Religious Dictionary, Abbott.
Yes, the trinity finds its origin in the pagan concept of a multiplicity, plurality or pantheon of gods. The law Jehovah God gave to the Jews stated diametrically the opposite: "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah."—Deut. 6:4, AS.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by mee

yes , looking to the bible is the way to go , with no manmade doctrines clouding the thought.
Having seen that there is no Scriptural support for the teaching of the trinity but much Scriptural evidence contradicting it, obviously it is not of divine origin. as many people are aware.
"The recognition of a trinity was universal in all the ancient nations of the world."—The Two Babylons, Hislop.
"The word triad, or trinity, was borrowed from the pagan schools of philosophy and introduced into the theology of Christians of the middle second century by Theophilus, Bishop of Antioch."—Bibliotheque Ecclesiastique, Dupin.
"Trinity is a very marked feature in Hindooism, and is discernible in Persian, Egyptian, Roman, Japanese, Indian and the most ancient Grecian mythologies."—Religious Dictionary, Abbott.
Yes, the trinity finds its origin in the pagan concept of a multiplicity, plurality or pantheon of gods. The law Jehovah God gave to the Jews stated diametrically the opposite: "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah."—Deut. 6:4, AS.

lot of quotes from man there Mee. I will continue to pray the Lord frees you from the WT.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

Having seen that there is no Scriptural support for the teaching of the trinity but much Scriptural evidence contradicting it, obviously it is not of divine origin. as many people are aware.

actually quite the opposite, the bible is riddled with trinitarian concepts, and in many instances it is blatantly obvious. of course those that have blinders may not see it.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Dor

lot of quotes from man there Mee. I will continue to pray the Lord frees you from the WT.

what i like about the watchtower mags is the way that they stick to bible teaching and this inturn leads people to the true bible teachings with out any manmade doctrines such as the trinity ,hellfire.ect ect. for me i can see quite plainly that the class of faithful people spoken of in matthew 24;45-47 is certainly feeding those who want to be feed by Jesus .yes its all happening in the lords day . the great crowd spoken of in revelation 7;9-10 are a well fed crowd ,there is plenty of spiritual food to feed this great crowd in a spiritual way. and it is all bible based good food .yum yum
Besides the threat of spiritual starvation, there is another danger we need to be aware of—the type of food that we eat may itself be contaminated. Taking in teachings infected by dangerous demonic ideas can poison us just as easily as can eating physical food that has been tainted with germs or toxins. (Colossians 2:8) It is not always easy to spot poisonous food.
There is certainly no shortage of good spiritual food. As Jesus Christ prophesied, he now has a faithful and discreet slave class that is busy providing "food at the proper time" for anyone who wants it. (Matthew 24:45) yes, i dont need manmade doctrines that are contaminated i take in good healthy spiritual food from the channel that Jesus is using.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

...the watchtower mags is the way that they stick to bible teaching and this inturn leads people to the true bible teachings with out any manmade doctrines such as the trinity ,hellfire.ect ect.

actually the trinity is not a manmade doctrine, it is how god has revealed himself thoughout the ages and written down by men through divine inspiration by the spirit.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

actually quite the opposite, the bible is riddled with trinitarian concepts, and in many instances it is blatantly obvious. of course those that have blinders may not see it.

with an examination of the Hebrew Scriptures there is no clear teaching of a Trinity in the first 39 books of the Bible that make up the true canon of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures.
WELL, then, do the Christian Greek Scriptures ("New Testament") speak clearly of a Trinity?
neither the 39 books of the Hebrew Scriptures nor the canon of 27 inspired books of the Christian Greek Scriptures provide any clear teaching of the Trinity.
DID the early Christians teach the Trinity?

"Primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds."—The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology.

"The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the [Trinity] idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the . . . Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One."—The Paganism in Our Christianity.

"At first the Christian faith was not Trinitarian . . . It was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages, as reflected in the N[ew] T[estament] and other early Christian writings."—Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics.

"The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. . . . Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective."—New Catholic Encyclopedia..... still the bible did foretell that the great apostazy would happen and it sure did , and many are misled by it.
the testimony of the Bible and of history makes clear that the Trinity was unknown throughout Biblical times and for several centuries thereafter.
The Trinity doctrine began its slow development over a period of centuries. The trinitarian ideas of Greek philosophers such as Plato, who lived several centuries before Christ, gradually crept into church teachings.
Before Plato, triads, or trinities, were common in Babylon and Egypt. And the efforts of churchmen to attract unbelievers in the Roman world led to the gradual incorporation of some of those ideas into Christianity. This eventually led to acceptance of the belief that the Son and the holy spirit were equal to the Father
What did the gradual development of the Trinity idea represent? It was part of the falling away from true Christianity that Jesus foretold. (Matthew 13:24-43) yes the bible always comes true.
Some other myths alien to Christianity that also gradually developed were: the inherent immortality of the human soul, purgatory, Limbo, and eternal torment in hellfire.
So, what is the Trinity doctrine? It is actually a pagan doctrine masquerading as a Christian one. It was promoted by Satan to deceive people, to make God confusing and mysterious to them. This results in their also being more willing to accept other false religious ideas and wrong practices. and the call to get out of Babylon the great revelation 18 ;4 is an urgent call because false religion is near its end. yes the bible prophecies always comes true. and i am out of Babylon the great, because i dont want to share with her in her sins.

[BlaznFattyz]

how can you say you dont use manmade doctrines to understand the bible, yet you quote from so many above and believe in manmade doctrine that is dictated to you by people you don't even know?

the trinity actually comes before christianity, its not a christian concept, it is how god has revealed himself from the beginning.