the Bible from a Jehovah's Witness perspective

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

how can you say you dont use manmade doctrines to understand the bible, yet you quote from so many above and believe in manmade doctrine that is dictated to you by people you don't even know?

the trinity actually comes before christianity, its not a christian concept, it is how god has revealed himself from the beginning.

true ,it is not a christian concept Jesus never taught the trinity ,and God revealed that he is one God not a trinity of three. and we dont need doctrines to understand the bible, the bible says it all.sticking to the bible is the way to go ,we can get everlasting life by taking in knowledge about Jehovah and his son Jesus christ John 17;3 its all in the bible .

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

true ,it is not a christian concept Jesus never taught the trinity....

that might be true to you, but that is not what i said, i said the trinity predates christianity and christianity does believe this concept as well, and jesus did teach the trinity when he said that he is I am therefore he shares the name I am with the father. also jesus said the father sent him, and he (jesus) will send the spirit, and whatever the father does, the son does. those are just a few examples that they are all God. who do you think raised christ from the cross? if you look at the bible, you will see that god raised jesus, jesus raised himself, and the spirit raised jesus, and when you look at creation you will see that the god created, jesus created, and the spirit created.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

What did the gradual development of the Trinity idea represent? It was part of the falling away from true Christianity that Jesus foretold. (Matthew 13:24-43)

Could you please explain? Please focus your explanation around the Trinity. I just don't see the relationship.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

that might be true to you, but that is not what i said, i said the trinity predates christianity and christianity does believe this concept as well, and jesus did teach the trinity when he said that he is I am therefore he shares the name I am with the father. also jesus said the father sent him, and he (jesus) will send the spirit, and whatever the father does, the son does. those are just a few examples that they are all God. who do you think raised christ from the cross? if you look at the bible, you will see that god raised jesus, jesus raised himself, and the spirit raised jesus, and when you look at creation you will see that the god created, jesus created, and the spirit created.

yes the trinity crept into the congregations just as Jesus said it would ,

the Trinity fits in with what Jesus and his apostles foretold would follow their time. They said that there would be an apostasy, a deviation, a falling away from true worship until Christ’s return, when true worship would be restored before God’s day of destruction of this system of things.

Regarding that "day," the apostle Paul said: "It will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed." (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 7) Later, he foretold: "When I have gone fierce wolves will invade you and will have no mercy on the flock. Even from your own ranks there will be men coming forward with a travesty of the truth on their lips to induce the disciples to follow them." (Acts 20:29, 30, JB) Other disciples of Jesus also wrote of this apostasy with its ‘lawless’ clergy class.—See, for example, 2 Peter 2:1; 1 John 4:1-3; Jude 3, 4.

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Could you please explain? Please focus your explanation around the Trinity. I just don't see the relationship.

the true teachings were contaminated with false teachings
THROUGHOUT the ancient world, as far back as Babylonia, the worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was common. That influence was also prevalent in Egypt, Greece, and Rome in the centuries before, during, and after Christ. And after the death of the apostles, such pagan beliefs began to invade Christianity.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

yes the trinity crept into the congregations just as Jesus said it would...

i thought you said the bible according to jw's dont have the trinity in it, but then you say that jesus said the trinity would creep into congregations. is that from the bible or did you just make that up like the many other things you talk about?

who do you think raised christ from the cross? if you look at the bible, you will see that god raised jesus, jesus raised himself, and the spirit raised jesus, and when you look at creation you will see that the god created, jesus created, and the spirit created.

I feel a copy and paste coming on...

[Faithfulservant]

lol you can tell when hes copy and pasting because everything is spelled correctly... no offense mee

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

the true teachings were contaminated with false teachings
THROUGHOUT the ancient world, as far back as Babylonia, the worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads, was common. That influence was also prevalent in Egypt, Greece, and Rome in the centuries before, during, and after Christ. And after the death of the apostles, such pagan beliefs began to invade Christianity.

So Jesus’ parables also had to be sifted as they were relating to the Pagan beliefs?

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

i thought you said the bible according to jw's dont have the trinity in it, but then you say that jesus said the trinity would creep into congregations. is that from the bible or did you just make that up like the many other things you talk about?

who do you think raised christ from the cross? if you look at the bible, you will see that god raised jesus, jesus raised himself, and the spirit raised jesus, and when you look at creation you will see that the god created, jesus created, and the spirit created.

I feel a copy and paste coming on...

bible prophecy always comes true, and has, when the apostles died the false teachings that were around infected the congregations just as foretold. and the trinity is only one part of that infection. and people get to believing the lie, because it comes from so called religious leaders
apostate Christians of the second century took on the trappings of the pagan Roman religion.
They moved away from their pure Biblical origins and instead clothed themselves with pagan Roman garb and titles and became imbued with Greek philosophy. yes the trinity is not a bible teaching at all .

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

lol you can tell when hes copy and pasting because everything is spelled correctly... no offense mee

its amazing who Jehovah can use to put over bible truths even thickos like me .

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

So Jesus’ parables also had to be sifted as they were relating to the Pagan beliefs?

Jesus illustrations were right on the ball, weeds were sown right in among the wheat but they were allowed to grow togeather and in time the weeds would be gathered up and identified,
Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43
You may be surprised to learn that Jesus expected his congregation to disappear from view and that he would allow such a sad situation to continue for centuries.
"The weeds" were counterfeit Christians who infiltrated the early Christian congregation.
As predicted by Jesus Christ, his genuine disciples were hidden from sight as counterfeit Christians flourished.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by mee

Jesus illustrations were right on the ball, weeds were sown right in among the wheat but they were allowed to grow togeather and in time the weeds would be gathered up and identified,
Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43
You may be surprised to learn that Jesus expected his congregation to disappear from view and that he would allow such a sad situation to continue for centuries.
"The weeds" were counterfeit Christians who infiltrated the early Christian congregation.
As predicted by Jesus Christ, his genuine disciples were hidden from sight as counterfeit Christians flourished.

I understand that concept. I suppose I was unclear, I was relating it to the Trinity. Our God is ONE, not three.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

...when the apostles died the false teachings that were around infected the congregations just as foretold. and the trinity is only one part of that infection. and people get to believing the lie, because it comes from so called religious leaders
apostate Christians of the second century took on the trappings of the pagan Roman religion.
They moved away from their pure Biblical origins and instead clothed themselves with pagan Roman garb and titles and became imbued with Greek philosophy. yes the trinity is not a bible teaching at all .

any credible sources for what you are saying ?

who do you think raised christ from the cross? if you look at the bible, you will see that god raised jesus, jesus raised himself, and the spirit raised jesus, and when you look at creation you will see that the god created, jesus created, and the spirit created .

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by pattimax

I understand that concept. I suppose I was unclear, I was relating it to the Trinity. Our God is ONE, not three.

mee,
You are so fond of reciting 2 Peter 2:1 “…false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.” Has the thought ever crossed your mind that a false prophet or teacher may have duped you? Do you ever approach the Bible as simply a member of the Christian family and a beloved child of God and forget the cut and paste frenzy of your watchtower wielding fervor that puts you on the defensive end and opposed to most of the rest of the Christian family?

Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Have you ever even objectively considered the fact that watchtower writers may be seducers deceiving the hearts of their followers? Such are condemned already, and the wrath of God abides upon them. I really wish you wouldn’t join them.
I wish you grace and peace, pattimax

[mee]

Originally Posted by pattimax

mee,
You are so fond of reciting 2 Peter 2:1 “…false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.” Has the thought ever crossed your mind that a false prophet or teacher may have duped you? Do you ever approach the Bible as simply a member of the Christian family and a beloved child of God and forget the cut and paste frenzy of your watchtower wielding fervor that puts you on the defensive end and opposed to most of the rest of the Christian family?

Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Have you ever even objectively considered the fact that watchtower writers may be seducers deceiving the hearts of their followers? Such are condemned already, and the wrath of God abides upon them. I really wish you wouldn’t join them.
I wish you grace and peace, pattimax

yes the thought that i had been duped did cross my mind , that is why i rejected the trinity teaching as it is not a true bible teaching.its good to know that i belong to a people who are only interested in clean pure worship based on true bible teachings. yes the trinity has duped many many people down through the centuries.and the bible foretold it all. people certainly did get to believing the lie.and it all comes from false religious teachers,again as the bible foretold ,is not the bible a wonderful book of prophecies that always come true.and yes as you say Jesus really is the way and the truth and the life.the end of false religion is near and the call for Gods people to GET OUT OF HER revelation 18;4 is for those who have ears to hear.