The Christian Cross - True Origin

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by Divos

Yes

Aten which Does transliterate as the Semitic "Adonay" and the Greek "Adonis", and for the same
reason "Zeus = Iove = Yhwh = Ieus".

In fact, Poseidon derived from Posei-Deion which means Lord God [Posei-Aten]
Neptune [Neb-Aten] means Lord God in Egyptian, also?

Zeus = Yahweh
Poseidon = Aten/Adonay

Zeus was angered by their impiety and sent a Great Deluge to the envelop the earth and destroy them. Only Deukalion and Pyrrha survived[By Building an ARK] [Prometheus advised Deucalion to fashion an ark]

Majority of Torah Stories are found in Greece, but the Names, and Place Names are different

Okay . . . I will admit, even though your ramblings drive me mad and are massively confusing, I have seen bits and pieces I would agree to.
The thing is . . . you are placing too much importance on the Roman and pre-Christian beliefs in an attempt to prove a moot point.

But please . . . do continue (without the damn coins though )

[Divos]

I will visit Egypt, and not Rome, where most Religions are derived

HAPY (Flooder}

Hapy was especially important to the ancient Egyptians because he brought the flood every year.

NUN (Noah) (Ark bearer)

Nun was the only thing that existed on Earth before there was land. Then, the first land (in the form of a mound) rose out of Nun.

RA

And the BIRD

Noah landed on ARARAT (Ur-Ra-Khuti) (also known as( Khut-Aten)
Khur means LIGHT (Ararat = The Great Light of RA)

People whom believe that Egyptian never had a Flood Account in there mythos are ignorant

RA/NOAH landing upon Pyramid

[voice]

Originally Posted by Divos

I will visit Egypt, and not Rome, where most Religions are derived

thank you divos i thought you will kill yourself at Rome . You know every or most religions have one purpose ,it's like the stones all over the world (megalits, pyramids ,stonehenge. . . )and it's connected with their myths. Ancients are deeply spiritual. You should find out the core of their work . This is eldorado . I wonder when I think their legacy to us and how unselfish they are.

[NiceCupOfTea]

Originally Posted by voice

thank you divos i thought you will kill yourself at Rome . You know every or most religions have one purpose ,it's like the stones all over the world (megalits, pyramids ,stonehenge. . . )and it's connected with their myths. Ancients are deeply spiritual. You should find out the core of their work . This is eldorado . I wonder when I think their legacy to us and how unselfish they are.

which ancients ?

and what was so spiritual about them ?

[Divos]

Originally Posted by NiceCupOfTea

which ancients ?

and what was so spiritual about them ?

Nothing, "Spiritual" is a Modern Concept, not an Ancient one

[radarmark]

I believe the tirthankaras and rishis would have a different opinion, NCOT.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Etu Malku

Nonsense, the first monotheistic religion sprang from the Egyptian pharaoh Akhentaten, who implemented the worship of the Aten and no other gods. This can be seen of which later monotheistic religious thought sprang from. Trust me, the Christian belief system was in the works way before all your Caesarian ideology.

Actually, only the Pharaoh and his family were allowed to worship Aten. The common people were only allowed to worship Pharaoh, and no other. This really isn't what I would call monotheism--it is what I would call an attempt to monopolize.

[voice]

Originally Posted by Divos

Nothing, "Spiritual" is a Modern Concept, not an Ancient one

divos you don't believe julius is god ?

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Actually, only the Pharaoh and his family were allowed to worship Aten. The common people were only allowed to worship Pharaoh, and no other. This really isn't what I would call monotheism--it is what I would call an attempt to monopolize.

Traditionally the Pharaoh was considered the physical manifestation of a god, usually Horus. Not did the people worship the Pharoah but they did also worship Horus and many other gods/goddesses. Akhenaten's Aten was the Solar Disk and was worshiped by everyone not just the Pharoah.
I would certainly describe his religion as Monotheism
Akhenaten and Monotheism

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Etu Malku

Traditionally the Pharaoh was considered the physical manifestation of a god, usually Horus. Not did the people worship the Pharoah but they did also worship Horus and many other gods/goddesses. Akhenaten's Aten was the Solar Disk and was worshiped by everyone not just the Pharoah.
I would certainly describe his religion as Monotheism
Akhenaten and Monotheism

funny link


Here's something from the BBC
exerpt:

In the New Kingdom, solar gods again became prominent, among them the Aten, the visible sun-disk which can be seen traversing the sky each day. Akhenaten raised the Aten to the position of 'sole god', represented as a disk with rays of light terminating in hands which reach out to the royal family, sometimes offering the hieroglyphic sign for life. Akhenaten and his family are frequently shown worshipping the Aten or simply indulging in everyday activities beneath the disk. Everywhere the close ties between the king and god are stressed through art and text. The king forms the link between the god and ordinary people whose supposed focus of worship seems to have been Akhenaten and the royal family rather than the Aten itself.

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

funny link


Here's something from the BBC
exerpt:

In the New Kingdom, solar gods again became prominent, among them the Aten, the visible sun-disk which can be seen traversing the sky each day. Akhenaten raised the Aten to the position of 'sole god', represented as a disk with rays of light terminating in hands which reach out to the royal family, sometimes offering the hieroglyphic sign for life. Akhenaten and his family are frequently shown worshipping the Aten or simply indulging in everyday activities beneath the disk. Everywhere the close ties between the king and god are stressed through art and text. The king forms the link between the god and ordinary people whose supposed focus of worship seems to have been Akhenaten and the royal family rather than the Aten itself.

It does appear that this was the case in Akhenaten's religious fervor.

[bob x]

Originally Posted by Divos

Zeus is pronounced [Iota-Epsilon-Upsilon-Sigma]

Which is IEUS

Sigh... since I am the go-to guy here for linguistics: the first letter in "Zeus" is not iota which was a single vertical stroke, sometimes with a hook at top or bottom but never with a horizontal stroke either above or below (the tiny horizontals above and below in Roman "I", called the "serifs", simply arise from the needs of stone-carvers). The letter with two horizontal strokes, connected by a stroke originally vertical, which only later became diagonal from upper-right to lower-left as in Roman "Z", is zeta and was always pronounced "z" and nothing else. I might also point out that in Iehsous "Jesus", the vowel in the first syllable is the letter eta not epsilon, so your attempts to derive it by random letter-grabbing from words that do not even have an eta in them anywhere are an epic fail.

[Amergin]

Originally Posted by NiceCupOfTea

The true origin of the the cross in Christianity is Christ Crucified on a cross.

You are saying the true origin of the CHRISTIAN CROSS is Christianity itself. Christ the deified Jesus was according to legend crucified on a cross. Did you realize the redundancy of your comment.

I could say that the true origin of the Egyptian Pyramids is Egypt.

Amergin

[Amergin]

Originally Posted by Divos

Neolithic is about 9500BC, and thus, taking it out of Its Roman Era Context, Christianity is a Roman Religion, all the symbols i have shown, including Star of David, are Roman Symbols.

I agree that one of the oldest crosses carved by Homo sapiens is in France. It was a cross in a solar circle. The oldest cross in the Proto-Indo-European cultures was the Swastika in India. Hitler plagiarised the Indian Swastika Cross because he thought it mean true Aryan.

The Cross was adopted by Christianity in the 3rd century. First Christians used the occult fish symbol of two overlapping arcs. The crucifix was felt to be insulting to the pre-Constantinian Christians. Constantine adopted it to fit Indo-European religion along with the Sunday holy day, the Winter Solstice to celebrate the birth of legendary Jesus. This merged Jesus the newly deified Sun God included Mithra, Lugh, Lieu, Odin, Helios, Hesus and others usually part of a trinity. It has almost nothing to do with Judaism.

Amergin

[bob x]

Originally Posted by Amergin

The oldest cross in the Proto-Indo-European cultures was the Swastika in India. Hitler plagiarised the Indian Swastika Cross because he thought it mean true Aryan.

Ironically, the swastika was never an Indo-European symbol at all; India borrowed it from Tibetans.

Originally Posted by Amergin

Sun God included Mithra, Lugh, Lieu, Odin, Helios, Hesus and others usually part of a trinity

Lugh and Lieu are just variant spellings of the same thing. Odin has nothing to do with the sun whatsoever. Hesus does not exist; it is just one of those names invented by confabulators of the same kind as Divos to try to derive the name "Jesus" some unrealistic way. NONE of the deities you mention were part of a "trinity".