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03-23-2005, 07:55 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
The Last Supper
The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (from NIV Study Bible notes: The 14th of Nisan (March-April), it was also called the preparation of the Passover. The Passover meal was eaten the evening of teh 14th after sunset--and therefore technically on the 15th, since the Jewish day ended at sunset. The Feast of Unleavened Bread lasted seven days, from the 15th to the 21st of Nisan, but in the time of Christ the entire period, Nisan 14-21, was referred to under that name.
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The Lord's Supper
17On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?”
18He replied, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.’ ” 19So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.
20When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve. 21And while they were eating, he said, “I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me.”
22They were very sad and began to say to him one after the other, “Surely not I, Lord?”
23Jesus replied, “The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. 24The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.”
25Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, “Surely not I, Rabbi?”
Jesus answered, “Yes, it is you.”[a]
26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the[b] covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.”
30When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.
(Matthew 26:17-30)
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The eucharist is always about mission, what we DO. It consists of taking, blessing, breaking and giving away. The Lamb of God.
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03-23-2005, 08:28 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
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Originally Posted by NewAgeNerd
It certainly sounds like these passages might be in reference to a passover seder. Since the destruction of the second temple, we no longer have sacrifices of the pascal lamb. We do still eat unleavened bread, and there is still the seder feast. However, I am not familiar with how to read the gospels, and as a result I cannot construct a very clear picture of what is going on. I wish I could give you guys more clear ideas of what is going on.
I know this is a side note, but why do christians no longer observe the biblical holidays such as passover, rosh hashannah, and yom kippur?
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hey NewAge. Glad you could join in  .
Our church still obeserves passover between palm sunday and easter but the unleavened bread is held until October when....- yom kippur, we observe it but we do it the first week (sunday) of October along with a foot washing and communion service with unleavened bread. (i dont think all christians observe it this way and some call it Day of Atonement.)
Seeking forgiveness could be done on the spot at any time of year, and is held sometimes (and maybe more than once) during any given service of the year.
Rosh Hashanah is observed in our church on New Years Eve from 8pm to just after midnight (but it is not called that). It is done with testimonies of what the Lord has done for us over the year and what he will do for us in the following year, with some sweet food and other music and teaching. It is a very special service of the year and we are dismissed on our knees in prayer as the clock turns from midnight to the next day.
There is a sedar in our church that is held at one or two of the saints homes during Passover or sometime in spring. And anyone who wants to attend can go.
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03-23-2005, 09:00 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
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Originally Posted by lunamoth
The Last Supper
The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (from NIV Study Bible notes: The 14th of Nisan (March-April), it was also called the preparation of the Passover. The Passover meal was eaten the evening of teh 14th after sunset--and therefore technically on the 15th, since the Jewish day ended at sunset. The Feast of Unleavened Bread lasted seven days, from the 15th to the 21st of Nisan, but in the time of Christ the entire period, Nisan 14-21, was referred to under that name.
The eucharist is always about mission, what we DO. It consists of taking, blessing, breaking and giving away. The Lamb of God.
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Lunamoth, thanks for putting this up and staying on top of it. I appreciate it.
I may not be able to do every single one, but here are some of the other passages for those who may want to see. I dont want to jump ahead or get behind because things start to move real fast. I know it is impossible to cover everything, but we can touch the basic things.
You are doing a real nice job.
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Mark 14:12-21
John 13:1-16
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Luke22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.
{2-6 omitted}
22:7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
22:9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
22:10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
22:11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
22:12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.
22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
22:16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
22:21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
22:22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
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03-23-2005, 09:32 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
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Originally Posted by NewAgeNerd
It certainly sounds like these passages might be in reference to a passover seder. Since the destruction of the second temple, we no longer have sacrifices of the pascal lamb. We do still eat unleavened bread, and there is still the seder feast. However, I am not familiar with how to read the gospels, and as a result I cannot construct a very clear picture of what is going on. I wish I could give you guys more clear ideas of what is going on.
I know this is a side note, but why do christians no longer observe the biblical holidays such as passover, rosh hashannah, and yom kippur?
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He, he, but we do! What is called yom kippur for example, some Christian faiths call Confirmation. It is done between the ages of 12 and 14, and implies that the child has now come to the age of ascention. (now considered a young adult). Passover is part of the Christian Easter.
As for the birth of Adam and Eve, I know we all should celebrate this, but literally we do not, unless you consider the New Years' Eve (of the calendar year) part of that.
As for your question about how to read the Gospels. I can tell you this, each Gospel was designed for a particular mindset. Matthew I believe was written to appeal to Jewish believers, Mark, for the Romans, Luke (the physician) for the Greeks (Hellenistic), and John is for the common man (like me)
I hope that helps you, the way you have definitely helped here Newage.
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03-24-2005, 05:41 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
Jesus' arrest and trial
This being a day ahead of schedule, I think it is ok to put up now, because we will all be busy over the weekend to do the whole study. Which is fine by me. (we can pick it up a later date)
I think this is showing Jesus to fulfill the scriptures. The kiss and betrayal of Judas, the disciples could not stay awake with him in previous verses. If they had known who Jesus was, they would not have crucified him. But it had to be this way.
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26:46 Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.
26:47 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.
26:48 Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.
26:49 And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him.
26:50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus and took him.
26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
26:55 In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.
26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
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Later we see that Peter stayed with Jesus but he was at a distance. I feel Peter had to do this and even deny him 3 times, otherwise he may have been crucified with Jesus. I also believe it was Peter who stood up for Jesus and stood up for his friend there in the garden when the sword was drawn.
Then they did terrible undeserving things to Jesus when he was before Caiaphas. They charged him with death. Two false witnesses came forward.
We still see this today in many countries, where people are arrested with unfair trials and executed, for the simple reason they claim Jesus is there Lord and Savior.
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26:57 And they that had laid hold on Jesus led him away to Caiaphas the high priest, where the scribes and the elders were assembled.
26:58 But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest's palace, and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end.
26:59 Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death;
26:60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses,
26:61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days.
26:62 And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee?
26:63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
26:66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.
26:67 Then did they spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands,
26:68 Saying, Prophesy unto us, thou Christ, Who is he that smote thee?
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03-24-2005, 06:00 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
...before Pilate...
I am just putting up these few scritpures up from Matthew. anyone can add to it with there favorite and share in the understanding of what was going to happen.
Jesus really did take on that of a gentle lamb in the trial. he could have easily escaped all these things and he would hardly speak to them, because he knew no matter what he would say, they still would not believe.
Jesus really did lay down his life for us because he loved us and wanted to show us how much that God loves us too. Jesus is the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world.
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27:1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:
27:2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. {3-10 omitted} 27:11 And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.
27:12 And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
27:13 Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
27:14 And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.
27:15 Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.
27:16 And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
27:17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
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I believe this was Pilates wife here saying not to have anything to do with this just man. It is obvious to me, the men in authority were envious and afraid, that what they were seeing was a threat to there earthly positions as rulers. So they tried passing the blame onto others just so they could get rid of Jesus, through persuading the crowds.
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27:18 For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.
27:19 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.
27:20 But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
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03-25-2005, 06:33 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
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Psalm 22
1 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from the words of my groaning?
2 O my God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, and am not silent.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the praise of Israel. [a]
4 In you our fathers put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 They cried to you and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not disappointed.
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45 From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land.
46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi,[a] lama sabachthani?”–which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
(Matthew 27:45-46)
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03-25-2005, 08:07 PM
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Matt27:54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.
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John29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
19:32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
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and some of the prophecy is here:
Ps 22:16
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Ps 22:18
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Ps 34:20
20 He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
Ps 69:21
21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
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Isa 53:7-12
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
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03-25-2005, 09:09 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
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Ps 69:21
21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
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I note here that if at any point Jesus was shown any proximity of "kindness" by His executioners (the Roman Guard), this was it.
Gall, in this case was a numbing agent, and the vinegar was not used to quench thirst, but was used to cut the mucus build up in the mouth and throat, and reduce swelling of glands and tissues.
A primitive type of moriphine, and a means of keeping the punished from asphyxiating immediately due to blockage of the air passage.
Why do this? This type of punishment was meant to go on for days, to set an example to the rest of what could happen to them. Psychological programming for the masses. I wouldn't due if the convicted died too quickly, as the death would pass just as quickly from the minds of most who witnessed.
In Jesus' case as we learn later on (mostly by inferrence) at least one of His Roman Guards did not believe He should be hanging there.
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03-26-2005, 12:41 AM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
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I note here that if at any point Jesus was shown any proximity of "kindness" by His executioners (the Roman Guard), this was it.
Gall, in this case was a numbing agent, and the vinegar was not used to quench thirst, but was used to cut the mucus build up in the mouth and throat, and reduce swelling of glands and tissues.
A primitive type of moriphine, and a means of keeping the punished from asphyxiating immediately due to blockage of the air passage.
Why do this? This type of punishment was meant to go on for days, to set an example to the rest of what could happen to them. Psychological programming for the masses. I wouldn't due if the convicted died too quickly, as the death would pass just as quickly from the minds of most who witnessed.
In Jesus' case as we learn later on (mostly by inferrence) at least one of His Roman Guards did not believe He should be hanging there.
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Very Nice post Quahom.
I see a reflection of this in your new avatar which I like a lot.
I wont be on until late sunday or monday. I will put some more up then. So anyone who wants to continue with the burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus is much obliged.
The blood that Jesus shed for me,
Way back on Calvary;
It's that blood that gives me strength from day to day, It will never lose its power. It soothes my doubts and calms my fears,
And it dries all, all my tears.
It reaches to the highest mountain.
It flows to the lowest valley.
The blood that gives me strength from day to day,
It will never lose its power.
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03-28-2005, 02:41 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
Well, we certainly can't end this thread without the good news.
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Matthew 28
The Resurrection
1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.
5The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’ Now I have told you.”
8So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. 10Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me.”
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03-28-2005, 03:44 PM
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Well, we certainly can't end this thread without the good news.
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He, he, he, But it isn't the end...It's only the beginning...
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03-28-2005, 06:25 PM
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Re: The Death Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus -Palm Sunday & Easter
We have forgotten something terribly significant about the cruxifiction of Jesus. Man helped Jesus carry the cross...what does that mean? What was the significance of man helping Jesus to carry the cross?
No angel came to assist. A man walked the last third of the death walk with Jesus, and yes, carried the burden of the cross for Him. Why?
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03-29-2005, 06:25 AM
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We have forgotten something terribly significant about the cruxifiction of Jesus. Man helped Jesus carry the cross...what does that mean? What was the significance of man helping Jesus to carry the cross?
No angel came to assist. A man walked the last third of the death walk with Jesus, and yes, carried the burden of the cross for Him. Why?
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I am not sure why Q. I know in one place Jesus said take up your cross and follow me...IOW, not a literal cross, but somehow we partake when we follow and do his will.
but here is is where Simon helped Jesus carry it.
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Matthew 27:32
32 And as they were coming out, they found a man of Cyrene named Simon, whom they pressed into service to bear His cross.
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03-29-2005, 06:32 AM
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Here is part of Peters first sermon. the part of the death burial and resurrection and how he would not see corruption
Acts2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
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