The Death of Jesus In The Qur'an - Page 4

Friend · 04-16-2005, 09:23 AM

Hi

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Islam is a blatant Anti-Christ religion

How you conclude this perception?

According to your replies ,I think you didn't understand anything you read about this subject.

Postmaster · 04-16-2005, 09:46 AM

3.55 Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

That phrase brings the chills down my spine for some reason.

madina · 04-18-2005, 03:32 AM

Islam against Christ? thats absurd thinking. as i said before, please LEARN the facts and stop following your desires. Islam is very pro-Christ, all of Gods blessed prophets taught us to worship the one true God. Jesus never commanded man to worship him, and the bible actually names many "sons" of God. God is Creator, Jesus is creation. Jesus taught us to worship the Creator. its pretty simple. Islam teaches that Jesus, the son of Mary, peace be upon him, will return and he will kill the anti-Christ/false Messiah and that he will break the cross,(ie..correct the wrong, those that worship him or set him up as a partner to God.)

you should learn the history and true teachings of Islam and the stories of all of Gods prophets, peace be upon them all. there are some really nice educational books at: http://www.astrolabe.com/

Postmaster · 04-18-2005, 11:24 AM

Jesus Christ taught us that rich people have low chance of entering the kingdom of heaven, he also told us not to marry widows. One of Muhammad’s wives was a wealthy widow. Christianity is very much more passive religion that's why our symbol of our religion is the cross (sacrifice) and at the same time more liberal. I have studied both Islam and Christianity, each view can differ. But in my view Islam is an anti-Christ religion. Don't confuse politicians like Bush as an ambassador for Christianity.

arthra · 04-18-2005, 12:09 PM

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Jesus Christ taught us that rich people have low chance of entering the kingdom of heaven, he also told us not to marry widows. One of Muhammad’s wives was a wealthy widow. Christianity is very much more passive religion that's why our symbol of our religion is the cross (sacrifice) and at the same time more liberal. I have studied both Islam and Christianity, each view can differ. But in my view Islam is an anti-Christ religion. Don't confuse politicians like Bush as an ambassador for Christianity.

You know Postmaster, in considering the life of Prophet Muhammad, that He was connected by family to the richest, most powerful clan in Mecca. Before receiving Divine Revelation in the cave of Mount Hira, He already had the material and social connections that was the envy of His day. Even so He was known as "Al Ameen" the Trusted One, and people would go to Him as an arbiter to settle squabbles, resolve disputes and as an insurer of trusts.

On receiving the Revelation His life was turned over to the Will of the Almighty God. His personal wealth and position in society was lost and His life was at risk much of the time. Peopel scorned Him and threw thorns on His path and rediculed Him while He prayed. All this He endured selflessly for some years.

Some Moslems escaped to the nearby Kingdom of Aethiopia and received the protection of a Christian monarch. Moslems and Christians realized they had more in common than either had with the Meccan Pagans.

Finally, the Almighty decreed that Prophet Muhammad and His band of followers could escape Pagan Mecca and so the Hijra began to Medina and so on. The Pagans raised large armies to crush the new Faith and against great odds, the band of followers thanks only to God prevailed.

The battles took the lives of many selfless heroes who had risked everything to defend their Faith. Widows in the Pagan culture at that time had no one to care for them or defend them. There was no Social Security or death benefits in those days and one of the signal honors was to be under the protection of the Prophet. Prophet Muhammad was married for several years to His first wife Lady Khadijah and only after her passing did He marry other wives... Marriage in those days was not like marriage today. People today marry on a whim they call "love" and just as easily when this "love" leaves the women are abandoned and the children go on public welfare, not so in the provisions of the Revelation of God.

When the spirit Prophet Muhammad ascended and left this earthly place, He had a few dates and some ransomed armour left in a modest hut of a house. Materially He had next to nothing. Spiritually He had triumphed over all His enemies and the corrupt earthly Empires of His day.

Unfortuantely the "Christianity" you speak of was neither passive nor liberal in much of it's history. After Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire it became a part of the powerful, corrupt apparatus of the State and Christians waged war for profit and worldly territory. Eventually the power and corruption became it's own undoing. Ikons were set up and dogmatic pronouncements were made. Pontiffs railed against their enemies as heretics imprisoning and burning those they disagreed with.

Liberalism and passive life was not a feature of this "Christianity" but rather dogmatic rigidity and spiritual backruptcy.

- Art

Postmaster · 04-18-2005, 01:26 PM

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Unfortuantely the "Christianity" you speak of was neither passive nor liberal in much of it's history.

Exactly that's why Christ came, imagine if he didn’t... The western political system probably would have been more aggressive today. Don't mix politics with religion... When the Turks came and invaded my home land in 1974 did I blame Islam? From a Spiritual sense Christianity is more passive then Islam. You don't even need God to tell you that. When the Israelis took some of Palestine, even today people are blowing themselves up and they claim they are going to paradise and justify it within Islamic teachings. A Greek Cypriot has never blown himself up in the north of Cyprus, where all there houses and property are. And Palestine is only but 30 miles away from Cyprus.

Passiveness is the key.... That's why I have much respect for Buddhism and Hinduism. Passiveness is what Christ taught, western Europe, USA and the middle east does not practise this. They are just as bad as much other

arthra · 04-18-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Postmaster

Exactly that's why Christ came, imagine if he didn’t... The western political system probably would have been more aggressive today. Don't mix politics with religion... When the Turks came and invaded my home land in 1974 did I blame Islam? From a Spiritual sense Christianity is more passive then Islam. You don't even need God to tell you that. When the Israelis took some of Palestine, even today people are blowing themselves up and they claim they are going to paradise and justify it within Islamic teachings. A Greek Cypriot has never blown himself up in the north of Cyprus, where all there houses and property are. And Palestine is only but 30 miles away from Cyprus.

Passiveness is the key.... That's why I have much respect for Buddhism and Hinduism. Passiveness is what Christ taught, western Europe, USA and the middle east does not practise this. They are just as bad as much other

Just as you wrote earlier:

"Don't confuse politicians like Bush as an ambassador for Christianity."

Don't confuse Islam with what the Turks did in Cyprus...after all Turkey claims to be a secular state since Kamal Ataturk. Don't confuse Islam as a religion with those who have attempted to hijack it for their own purposes such as terrorists or bombers. True Isalm is opposed to killing innocents. Jihad is defensive response to violence and oppression.

Hindus and Buddhists have also been involved in wars and warfare was very common in ancient and medieval India.

What you should do is change your attitude that Islam is an anit- Christ religion. Moslems accept Jesus and ideally respect Christians and permit them to practise their religion. But I also think we're far off from the original subject of this thread.

- Art

Postmaster · 04-18-2005, 08:07 PM

Your world is too perfect arthra, it's dangerous thinking like this because no human is perfect

As a Baha'i you must recognise all the other work of religious leaders? But these very faiths are all claiming to be the only right way. It's the worlds imperfection that make’s it so perfect. Muhammad unified the Middle East and created the Islamic empire and gave his word, Christ gave his life for his word. Surely the next message of God Muhhamad can't be such a contradiction and entering out of the boarder’s of passiveness. Build your life on a strong foundation, that was talked about in the bible too.

arthra · 04-18-2005, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Postmaster

Your world is too perfect arthra, it's dangerous thinking like this because no human is perfect

As a Baha'i you must recognise all the other work of religious leaders? But these very faiths are all claiming to be the only right way. It's the worlds imperfection that make’s it so perfect. Muhammad unified the Middle East and created the Islamic empire and gave his word, Christ gave his life for his word. Surely the next message of God Muhhamad can't be such a contradiction and entering out of the boarder’s of passiveness. Build your life on a strong foundation, that was talked about in the bible too.

You can call me "Art".... that's my name.

All I'm suggesting to you, is that you reconsider your views on Islam.

- Art

farhan · 04-18-2005, 10:33 PM

Well PM I guess most of your hatred towards Islam arises b/c of Turkish invasion of Cyprus . And then U have reinforced your hatred with your perception of Islam . I may be wrong on that , but thats what I figured out after reading your posts .

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A Greek Cypriot has never blown himself up in the north of Cyprus, where all there houses and property are

I guess thats because they have got some place to live , rather than camps . And those muslim cyproits have been lioving there for a long time , there was not a mass immigration for making a country .

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Jesus Christ taught us that rich people have low chance of entering the kingdom of heaven, he also told us not to marry widows

Whats wrong with marring widow . U R talking like every teaching of Christianity has been proven beyond doubt .

Tolerence !!

Postmaster · 04-18-2005, 11:14 PM

I don't blame Islam for this

http://www.missing-cy.org/

I blame the human, the animal in the human, the barbarian, the non passive being.... Peace is not about unity of fellow human beings by force or any other way, it's about acceptance, sacrifice forgiveness and tolorance. Because like the Baha'i faith says, were all different flowers of one Garden. No one can change that fact, not even the Baha'i faith.

Amica · 05-14-2005, 10:05 PM

Post master,
I do not know what made you to write such a hateful remark about Prophet Muhammad, but I got something to say to you:
1) Prophet Muhammad never negated the fact that Jesus was chosen from God, because all of the prophets are chosen ones.
2) Islam views Jesus/Isaa s.a.v.s. as one of the highest prophets/chosen ones, but not as a divne.
3) Muhammad's followers and Muhammad united Arabs into one Kingdom.
4) "Muslim" conquests began after Prophet Muhammad's death.
5) Alexander the Great had nothing in common with Prophet Muhammad: a) Alexander did not preach a monotheistic faith and was a pagan, b) all Alexander yearned for was expansion of his earthly riches whereas Muhammad was a poor man who cared only in religion of God, TheOne True God.
*Muhammad s.a.v.s. was known to have been poor even when he became known as the leader among the faithful in Islam. There is a hadith that describes how many times in his house there was nothing to eat, besides dates and water. Alexander the Great yearned for riches and conquests. He did not believe in God, was not persecuted because of his believes like Muhammad s.a.v.s. was.
*Postmaster, please educate yourself first, before posting such a hateful remark.