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Old 02-17-2012, 05:20 PM   #136 (permalink)
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There are two types of sounds: Harmonic and Chaotic. Examples of Harmonic sounds include the human voice, vibrating strings, lawn mowers, jet engines, jack hammers, cars and fans. Examples of Chaotic sounds include crumpling paper, blowing leaves, sneezes, the background conversational din in a restaurant and firecrackers.

Our ear is often referred to as being “naturally wired” with the sound of the overtone series. It is our reference for stability in music. This overtone series is present in every sound emitted in the Universe and unfolds as explained by the Fibonacci sequence / Golden Mean.


With this “natural wiring”, we tend to feel anything that goes against the overtone series as somewhat unnatural, and we feel pushed or pulled back to his natural state of rest.
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There are two types of sounds: Harmonic and Chaotic. Examples of Harmonic sounds include the human voice, vibrating strings, lawn mowers, jet engines, jack hammers, cars and fans. Examples of Chaotic sounds include crumpling paper, blowing leaves, sneezes, the background conversational din in a restaurant and firecrackers.

Our ear is often referred to as being “naturally wired” with the sound of the overtone series. It is our reference for stability in music. This overtone series is present in every sound emitted in the Universe and unfolds as explained by the Fibonacci sequence / Golden Mean.


With this “natural wiring”, we tend to feel anything that goes against the overtone series as somewhat unnatural, and we feel pushed or pulled back to his natural state of rest.
OK, so how do you predict people would react to putting rhythm into the static of white noise/chaotic noise? (assigning crumpling paper sounds, sneeze sounds, etc, to different percussion instruments on an electronic drum set and let a drummer have at it with the chaotic noises?) Would the rhythm overcome the natural wiring against chaotic noise?
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A single color is False? Were you born that way?

"Objective Reality" is famously proven to be none other than "Objective Reality".

"Objective Reality" is like a stone wall; butt heads with it and it's "Objective Reality" will be steadfast and absolute.

When I said Paradox I meant: A statement (or rule, law, fact) which, as part of its composition, contradicts itself --and yet that contradiction does not negate its mode of operation.
Yes I do find that most children are with the understanding that the majority of this world and its inhabitants are unseen and unknown. If a person has a hard time with that, it does kind of blind them from understanding. A paradox or mystery came afterwards. Then, no paradox, but from my perspective the majority of this world and its inhabitants are still unseen and unknown. Things disappear by saturation just as things disappear into history. Where did they go... gone, right?
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OK, so how do you predict people would react to putting rhythm into the static of white noise/chaotic noise? (assigning crumpling paper sounds, sneeze sounds, etc, to different percussion instruments on an electronic drum set and let a drummer have at it with the chaotic noises?) Would the rhythm overcome the natural wiring against chaotic noise?
Believe me, there is a method to my madness in this question.
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OK, so how do you predict people would react to putting rhythm into the static of white noise/chaotic noise? (assigning crumpling paper sounds, sneeze sounds, etc, to different percussion instruments on an electronic drum set and let a drummer have at it with the chaotic noises?) Would the rhythm overcome the natural wiring against chaotic noise?
I would say definitely, probably yes
Once a rhythm is established using chaotic noise it becomes music (organized sound), though some people would still object to the 'timber' of the sounds over the rhythm being played, others no longer hear the chaotic sounds but now the rhythm.

Am I babbling?
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I would say definitely, probably yes
Once a rhythm is established using chaotic noise it becomes music (organized sound), though some people would still object to the 'timber' of the sounds over the rhythm being played, others no longer hear the chaotic sounds but now the rhythm.

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Making perfect sense.

Maybe this is more suited for the sound and sacred geometry thread?
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Making perfect sense.

Maybe this is more suited for the sound and sacred geometry thread?
Good thinking . . . I guess we really derailed this poor thread
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I believe that some neuroscience papers exist on this and you guys are correct. A rhythmic "organization" of chaos is heard as rhythmic.
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I am not sure why you call it a lie. I met you and verified your addictions, and some of your behavior. You apparently don't see it that way. What I was saying with you here was not intended to slander.
I have experimented with drugs out of curiosity as a teenager, now you insist it is an addiction. I have said before and I'll say again: drugs exist for a reason, they are a hint that other states of consciousness are possible. The problem is that many never discover natural higher states so they come to be addicted, I have never been addicted to such substances.

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The present is not alive, and the past is not dead. You are what you are today because of what was done in the past, and the future depends on what you, and others, do now.
This is what society wants you to think, and so you drag around the past and never act naturally in the present. You walk as if you are carrying the weight of the world on your back, you want to be consistent with your past but it is very dead. You pull along a corpse and it is very unhealthy, how can anything but the present be alive? How can the present not be alive? The present is God if you can drop the past and future.

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As you believe that matter is empty, you should have no problem creating and destroying it.
Certainly, many occult groups are very familiar with manifesting and destroying things simply through will. When you are fully in tune with Nature you become a co-creator and destroyer - which are two of the three qualities of God according to most traditions. Jesus has been an occultist show off, but thousands have shared these abilities.

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It is great to hear you now extolling the virtues of relationships.
I have never put down relationships, I simply put down what you consider a relationship. What you call love is merely an obligation, a duty, and that is something disgusting. I relate with all who come in my path, I shower love on them as best I'm able and when it is time to depart I have no problem with it. You try to possess people as you possess cars and computers, this is disgusting, a person is not a thing.

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Have you read the bible? It is full of stories of animation. How about the book of Job. You should read the book of Job. Tell me if you can spot any divine animation in the book of Job.
I have read the Bible, yes, as I have read the Vedas and Dhammapada and many scriptures throughout the world. They all talk about divine animation in one way or another. It is one of many features that shows all are really talking about the same thing, in fact.

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You think so? You have no beliefs regarding freedom? From my viewpoint your life is empty of a lot of experience, and the experience of others is not yours in the same manner that your experience is not mine. Your future is a multitude of potential experiences, most of which you currently would not favor.
I have experienced much, enough that I am done with petty existence and wish to know what is the point to all this. This is the beginning of true seeking though, and yet it is not the culmination of just one life.

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I know. You say you have dropped belief, but you have apparently not dropped your interest. Having met you and interacted a little, I know you are being a hypocrite with this. I am certain that you will fail, since your interest is to fight God.
I have dropped belief because I know.

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What made you think I do not meditate? If you want people to meditate, then why don't you just ask?
Meditation is not a doing, it is to function from your center. Meditation techniques are intended to help you find your center, but meditation doesn't begin until you are there. Now you simply reside there constantly, never permitting yourself to leave it for too long. I was meditating most of the time you interacted with me, were you aware of it?

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A diet is the variety of food that a person eats. Has meditation made your smoking any less necessary? Is smoking good for your health, or evil for your health?
Fasting is what I was talking about, you admitted yourself you are a pig on the road then you come home and fast. You compare this to my smoking, but which do you think is more unhealthy? Is the fact they are both unhealthy not enough, is the comparison necessary or will you actually look at this correctly?

Smoking has been helpful in my meditation, in raising my awareness because I can trace the thicker air going around my body and know better the path of breath. Is your fasting doing anything beneficial? It is just confusing your body even more.
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I'm sorry, I must have missed it. You wish me to do something?
As for this, certainly, out of love I wish all to know themselves, to stop wearing their masks. Society teaches us to wear these masks, and it is deeply unhealthy, we have to go against our own natures to obey the societies expectations. It is unhealthy, it is causing many mental disorders simply because of what is built up over time. We accept certain things as simply part of growing old, we do not see that this result is from living wrong when we are younger.

My whole approach on this site has been to show people how to find their true selves again, to clear the dust that has settled over time and see reality for what it is. You currently paint reality a certain way based on what you have learned through life, you divide reality down the center and value only one side. A bird cannot fly with only one wing, a tree cannot reach in the sky unless its roots go equally deep into the earth. Yin cannot be strong without yang being equally strengthened. Having met you in person, you have no vitality whatsoever, this is not a judgement but rather an observation. I want you to see this is because you do not go into the negative, but only choose the positive. You have to overcome this capacity to choose one or the other and learn to accept both, for both must exist for reality to function - reality is naught but the play of opposites pointing at the oneness.

You also have constantly spoken against selfishness, but what else can be genuine? You will say "my wife" or "my children" or even "my dog" or "my house", each can be taken away though, you do not possess them, you cannot because they are not you. Only consciousness, the expression of the soul, is yours, everything else will eventually be taken away. You can fuel your ego by these things, but eventually you will have to look on it and see you have wasted your life. I only wish for you and everyone to find something which cannot be taken away, that will be with you for eternity, and only that is valid as a pursuit. The society functions differently, it takes advantage of our desire to be part of something bigger, our refusal to accept and deep knowledge that we are not this small existence. You can call it a conspiracy, for most of the government leaders are parts of mystery schools - Obama for instance is a Freemason, George Bush before him was a Skull and Bones member, another mystery school. They know the truth of existence, and yet they hide it from the common man, it is because the know that the society needs some to be asleep to the truth so that it can function. Do you want to die a puppet or a master? This is the only choice life offers, and right now you seem content to be a puppet, for me it is a very sad thing.

I want a society that is awakened, I believe the society can function at this point - or at least in the near future - without the necessity of keeping many asleep to truth. Our technology is making the puppet no longer necessary, now we can have a society of masters. For me, it is inevitable, I look around and I can see that many are starting to understand better and better what is happening in the world, and I know it is just a matter of time. I am doing my part to at least plant seeds for others to sow to this end, but society still has a long way to go. Each individual must be touched directly, for a society is merely a group of individuals, and there is a long history of mind poisoning to overcome.
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In essence: everything you think you know, you will have to drop. Every conclusion you have drawn from society and your dealings with it will have to be dropped. Everything you desire you will have to see cannot be fulfilling. Jesus has said something very potent, he has said "unless you hate your father and mother, your brother and sister - indeed your own life - you cannot be my disciple". What does he mean? He means you have to overcome these ties, you have to be detached from even those things in your life you value. Only when you drop this nonsense can you ever know truth, but it looks very negative. You will not understand how a man teaching love for all can say such a thing, but it is because these things are partial, they limit you. Your true nature is limitless, but you will have to become utterly selfish to find that place. Then something awesome happens, you find that loving the whole, these people are included. This wholeness is true religiousness, though, before you were just mediocre, just draining yourself of life, making yourself something smaller and smaller until eventually you will die. You have missed, and this is the only sin in life, for sin means to miss while repent means return. Miss and return to what? Your own center of being, but instead you allow all around you to drag you this way and that and think you are virtuous.

That center is what you know as God, and meditation is the only way to find it. In that space, you cannot sin, only when you leave the space are you sinning until you return. This is what Jesus meant by repenting: return to the God within, the Kingdom of God that is your inner temple. This is the only way to understand pure love, because it is the space of divine love. Whatsoever else you call love is simply false, yet you have spoken against discovering its truth.
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Yes I do find that most children are with the understanding that the majority of this world and its inhabitants are unseen and unknown.
As a child I thought the entire city extended only to the ends of my street. There is a saying, "Youth is wasted in the Young". But I think "Life is jaded by adulthood".

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If a person has a hard time with that, it does kind of blind them from understanding.
We have come through the era of the Anne Frank Pathos. There is an Ocean of Humanity ---we are spectators watching the same silver screen, but different POVs.

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A paradox or mystery came afterwards.
Then, no paradox,

Paradox: Scores of Central American Gang Members imprisoned in a central-american prison without the ability to escape a fire that erupted within the prison and so one third of the immates are incinerated by a raging fire. What was the mind set of the convicts when they knew they would not be saved? How humblely honest must have been their assessment of their predicament.
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WW2 Survival story of tow girls 12 & 15 year old adirft at sea when their evacuation ship which was taking British Children out of England to transport them to Canada for safety:

At 10.30pm on the night of September 17, in the swell 600 miles from Liverpool, the ship was rocked by a huge explosion. At 11,000 tonnes, City of Benares was the largest vessel in a convoy of 19 heading for Nova Scotia and had been tracked and targeted by U-48, a German submarine, which launched a torpedo into the liner's hold.

Fifteen-year-old Bess Walder, as she then was, had been sound asleep in her top bunk. The jolt woke her instantly. "That's a torpedo," she remembered thinking.

A second explosion shook the floor, followed by the roar of breaking glass. Bess Walder scrambled down from her bunk and urged the girl slumbering in the lower berth to get out. With 14-year-old Beth Cummings, who had been in a neighbouring cabin, Bess Walder threaded her way down a crowded corridor. City of Benares was already listing.

Lights flickered and dimmed, then went out. Freezing water cascaded into the stricken ship's interior, and bodies bobbed past.
Bess Walder and Beth Cummings managed to scramble on deck and into lifeboat No 5, which was lowered into the blackness of the ocean but took in water almost at once. It bucked wildly on the waves before upending, throwing both girls into the sea.

By the time they had swum and clawed their way back to the lifeboat, it was upside down. In the darkness and through the spray and rain – the liner had been attacked at the height of an Atlantic storm – Bess Walder could just make out Beth and, beyond her new friend, a line of wrists, fingers and whitened knuckles where at least a dozen people were clinging on the other side to the lifeboat's upturned keel.

As the pair held on and cried out that help would arrive, they realised that no one could hear them, and they struggled to keep their heads above water. In the distance flares shot skywards, before a beam from a nearby searchlight raked the scene – apparently from U-48, which was scuttling away to the east. In less than 30 minutes City of Benares had slipped beneath the waves.

"Like many others, I watched her sink," Bess Walder remembered. "It was a shocking sight to see this lovely ship go down."
For nearly 20 hours during the night and day that followed, Bess Walder and Beth Cummings, with only their adrenalin to sustain them against cold and exhaustion, clung to their overturned lifeboat in the stormy seas; they were clad only in pyjamas and dressing gowns.
At first about 20 other passengers hung on, but one by one they let go and drifted away, eventually leaving only Bess Walder and her friend. "Our bodies were very badly bruised," Bess Walder later told The Daily Telegraph. "Every time waves came we were lifted up and flung down again against the side of the lifeboat."
Exhausted but unafraid, the pair concentrated on staying alive by clinging to a rope wrapped around the keel. Afterwards they could not open their hands for two days.
Alerted by the Admiralty, the destroyer Hurricane, on anti-submarine patrol 300 miles to the south-east, raced to the scene in a Force 8 gale, arriving in 14½ hours. But the rough seas meant that Hurricane could not get close enough, and her commander ordered two small rescue craft – a whaler and a larger motorboat – to pick up the two girls, along with many of the 146 other survivors.
By then Bess Walder had lost consciousness, and came to only after being lifted aboard Hurricane. Sailors revived her with soup, sugared water and rum.
Of the 90 children aboard, only 13 survived; in all 258 lives were lost. At the time the sinking of City of Benares was the worst maritime disaster of the war.

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but from my perspective the majority of this world and its inhabitants are still unseen and unknown.
What? 15 minutes of Fame in a Who's Who that get discarded with the old newspapers? Unseen and unknown is actually the way things are.
Even the the Alaskan Mountain Ranges and tundras are only seen by bears and penguins. An ocean with plenty more fish in the top to the bottoms of the seven seas.

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Things disappear by saturation just as things disappear into history. Where did they go... gone, right?
Krishna Said to Arjuna:
"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be."
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Krishna Said to Arjuna:
"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be."
And why is it so?

Now, in this story, Krishna is enlightened and Arjuna is your run of the mill believer - for me, there is no difference between an avatar, only begotten son of God, incarnation, buddha or enlightenment, just different ways of saying the same thing.

This is the principle decision in life: do you want to see the reality or continue with the play.

Either way, what you truly are is not different, either way, you remain. It is to choose between the drop and the ocean, the cloud or the sky. More directly, do you want to be the part or the whole? Really, you have no choice, you are the whole, but you can remain in the illusion.

"Pull yourself together!" this is the work of existence - is it your time to fit back?

The way back is simply to let go of the dream, meditation can help, prayer can help if it is total, chanting can help, yoga positions can help, but none are the real thing. The real thing comes when you see the absurdity of all of these things, you remain the doer in all of them, they just distract you temporarily from the fact. When you understand this, you are ready to let go, you understand you could never do anything about it as you are and just drop it all. Then it happens, then you enter the really real. Still there is not really a point if you look at it logically, yet the gratitude, love is the why.
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If you insist on the dream instead, at least live in love, only then is life worth living. Do not settle for pseudo versions of it, replacements for it, dive in fearlessly and never regret anything which was founded in love. Just be guided by the heart, never listen to your head because it is always going to steer you wrong - although it will look right based on its own justifications.

Do not fall in to the traps of society, do not be distracted from love. You can have all the money in the world, but without love you remain poor. Everything should be a means to more love, do not become so involved in activities that you lose sight of love. Love is what you are, know it completely - although to know it completely we come back to letting go utterly.

God is love objectified
Man is love subjectified
Oneness is the nature of love

God, Lord, Master... all mean authority.
Let love be your only authority.

If love is not the fragrance of your deed, you are sinning without exception.
Whatsoever you do in love is always right.

This is Dhamma, this is Tao... the law and the way is simply love.
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The concept of God has allowed man to live together - it provides grounds for camaraderie.
Scientifically, the religious encounter is simple to explain: the entire brain becomes integrated.
Direct encounter with it though, it cannot be explained so easily.

The problem is, we have tried, and we have believed our ancestors theories about it. It is an amazing feeling, utterly fulfilling and has become the focus of many civilizations, countless generations devoted themselves to it. It is all simply the ultimate peak of consciousness, the totality of love, the best of what life offers. It doesn't need elaborate tales or superstitions to encounter, it stands on its own.

Go towards it, melt into it, cease your fear.
Only then can you know love.

Every scripture on earth is basically a manifesto on how to come to realize what love truly is, how strange. What life has ever been fulfilled without love though? Even if you don't reach the crescendo of love, just a taste and you can understand the preciousness of this gift we call life.

1 John 4:8

"If you have not known love, you have not known the father... for God is love"

There is nothing else.
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