The Great CR Peace-nik Sit-in - Page 4

Quahom1 · 06-10-2006, 09:09 PM

"To everything There is a season And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die
A time to plant, a time to reap
A time to kill, a time to heal
A time to laugh, a time to weep

To everything There is a season And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to build up, a time to break down
A time to dance, a time to mourn
A time to cast away stones
A time to gather stones together

To everything
There is a season
And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time of war, a time of peace
A time of love, a time of hate
A time you may embrace
A time to refrain from embracing

To everything
There is a season And a time for every purpose under heaven

A time to gain, a time to lose
A time to rend, a time to sew
A time to love, a time to hate
A time of peace, I swear it's not too late!"

the Byrds, inspired by the Book of Ecclesiastes

my sentiments

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Q

Quahom1 · 06-10-2006, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lunamoth

...It's not a matter of preventing war. Sadly, the wars are already started. What is needed is a strategy for peace. And that's going to take some sacrifice on our part.

lunamoth

The war never ended, not since 1914. (oh my G-d, where have I seen that date before)

There has been interludes, and regrouping. There has been big countries going against big countries. There has been big countries fighting eachother with little countries doing the dirty work. This will go down in history as the latest hundred years war (if we survive that long). There is one more war to be fought. It will not be stopped, as history has shown us, top dog must be established with man. Even here in this thread, there is anger and promise of retribution. Man is not a peaceful being. Or else he is, and will stop at nothing to regain that sense of peace.

It is far easier for a civil man to act the barbarian, than it is for the barbaric man to act civilized...the difference is only in the aftermath of the battle. Only the civil man will cry for what happened, because he knows what was lost and grieves for that loss...

my thoughts

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lunamoth · 06-10-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

The war never ended, not since 1914. (oh my G-d, where have I seen that date before)

There has been interludes, and regrouping. There has been big countries going against big countries. There has been big countries fighting eachother with little countries doing the dirty work. This will go down in history as the latest hundred years war (if we survive that long). There is one more war to be fought. It will not be stopped, as history has shown us, top dog must be established with man. Even here in this thread, there is anger and promise of retribution. Man is not a peaceful being. Or else he is, and will stop at nothing to regain that sense of peace.

It is far easier for a civil man to act the barbarian, than it is for the barbaric man to act civilized...the difference is only in the aftermath of the battle. Only the civil man will cry for what happened, because he knows what was lost and grieves for that loss...

my thoughts

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Q

Thank you for your words here Q. I think you and China Cat are the only two posting so far that have actually seen battle, and Vaj apparently has also been involved in the military.

I appreciate that the relative security my family and I have comes at the expense of other's lives. War does seem to be part of our nature and constantly with us as your quote from Ecclesiastes says. I refuse to believe that war is our only choice, our only destiny. And I absolutely refuse to believe that war is good. Just because there can be great human virtue expressed in the midst of war does not mean that war itself is a virtue. Fighting for our lives and the lives of others is sometimes a necessary evil, and those who come home deserve honor (most of them), but war is not something to be sought or glorified.

Quahom1 · 06-11-2006, 12:28 AM

It's ok,

I hate fighting...

Vajradhara · 06-11-2006, 02:11 AM

Namaste lunamoth,

there is no strategy for peace, peace is the strategy.

metta,

~v

Dondi · 06-12-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste lunamoth,

there is no strategy for peace, peace is the strategy.

metta,

~v

In order to have peace, there must be agreement between the parties involved. We can have the sit-ins, bed peace, set ourselves afire, stand in front of tanks, and stomp around Washington with our peace signs all we want, but how much does this really influence those actually involved in the peace process?

Vajradhara · 06-12-2006, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

In order to have peace, there must be agreement between the parties involved. We can have the sit-ins, bed peace, set ourselves afire, stand in front of tanks, and stomp around Washington with our peace signs all we want, but how much does this really influence those actually involved in the peace process?

Namaste Dondi,

seemingly, very little. of course, there doesn't seem to be any sort of objective measurement by which we could really determine these things. perhaps an individual is greatly influenced yet, due to various factors, cannot initate the changes that they would like.

from our point of view, no action is no action.

metta,

~v

wil · 06-12-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

In order to have peace, there must be agreement between the parties involved. We can have the sit-ins, bed peace, set ourselves afire, stand in front of tanks, and stomp around Washington with our peace signs all we want, but how much does this really influence those actually involved in the peace process?

I think it does influence the process. Now marching and screaming epithats that promote violence (I've seen too much of this in peace marches) to me has a negative affect. But peaceful nonviolent opposition...makes people think. And sometimes those folks may respect the methodology, may consider taking part...and as it grows more consider the options...

It may take two parties to create peace...but it also takes two parties to decide to fight. Isn't it possible to point to Switzerland? Or the achievement of Ghandi and MLK to see that drastic changes can happen even if the majority are not for it?

Quahom1 · 06-12-2006, 09:48 PM

Peace...is when one soldier throws a turkey (cooked), into the trench of the enemy on Christmas Eve, and the enemy responds by throwing a bottle of congac back...the next thing you know, they're all standing in no-mans land exchanging chocolates, pictures, stories and games of soccer, while the opposing Generals blow their stacks in rage...

That is peace, even if for one day.

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wil · 06-12-2006, 10:06 PM

Yes, I have some acquaintances that have had stories of encounters, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia....all of which interestingly enough are when solo or small groups encountered the opposite side...both lost or off trail away from the larger contigent...and worked together till one was ready to head back...none ever knew who they were with...most had complete language barrier...all walked away with fond memories of the encounter...

lunamoth · 06-12-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Peace...is when one soldier throws a turkey (cooked), into the trench of the enemy on Christmas Eve, and the enemy responds by throwing a bottle of congac back...the next thing you know, they're all standing in no-mans land exchanging chocolates, pictures, stories and games of soccer, while the opposing Generals blow their stacks in rage...

That is peace, even if for one day.

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Q

Excellent story Q. Like war, peace starts with small steps.

luna

Quahom1 · 06-12-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lunamoth

Excellent story Q. Like war, peace starts with small steps.

luna

24 December 1914, when WW I stopped for a day...it is historical fact.

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lunamoth · 06-12-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondi

In order to have peace, there must be agreement between the parties involved. We can have the sit-ins, bed peace, set ourselves afire, stand in front of tanks, and stomp around Washington with our peace signs all we want, but how much does this really influence those actually involved in the peace process?

We can't control the larger picture, but we can resolve to be a chanel for peace in our own lives. As in the prayer attributed to St. Francis.

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Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.
O, Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

luna