The Holy Spirit - Page 2

taijasi · 10-13-2006, 07:38 PM

ouch!

BlaznFattyz · 10-13-2006, 07:47 PM

electricity or an active force does not grieve when we sin, nor does it groan to god our prayers, nor does it reveal truth, nor does it know the depths of our soul, even the depths of god the father. the downgrading of the holy spirit to electricity or an active force does not jive with scripture.

moseslmpg · 10-13-2006, 09:00 PM

He said it could be likened to electricity, not that it is electricity. It's like a simile or metaphorical explanation of something that cannot be explained in absolute terms.

Anyway, to answer the question, and keeping in mind that I am on the Christian board: The Holy Spirit has existed for as long as God because it is part of God, apparently. That's the standardly accepted answer, but in taking the definition of the Holy Spirit as an active force (which I see no problem with), then it has only existed per se when there was something passive to mold, e.g. the Creation.

Yeah, "heresy, blasphemy!" I know.

FLOWERGIRL · 10-13-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

THE Bible’s use of "holy spirit" indicates that it is a controlled force that Jehovah God uses to accomplish a variety of his purposes. To a certain extent, it can be likened to electricity, a force that can be adapted to perform a great variety of operations.
In the Hebrew Scriptures, the word most frequently used for "spirit" is ru´ach, meaning "breath; wind; spirit." In the Greek Scriptures, the word is pneu´ma, having a similar meaning.

Hi Mee, I appreciate you taking the time to post on this thread but it appears your posts aren't really answering any of the following the questions. which are;

Is the active force part of God?

Has the active force always existed like The eternal God has?

Or

Is the active force another of God's creations?

An answer to any of the three above questions would be great. Thanks Mee.

BlaznFattyz · 10-13-2006, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by moseslmpg

He said it could be likened to electricity, not that it is electricity. It's like a simile or metaphorical explanation of something that cannot be explained in absolute terms.

lol.. although i appreciate your generous explanation, i assure you i understand what he was saying quite clearly and i understand what a simile and metaphor are without a doubt.

moseslmpg · 10-13-2006, 11:30 PM

The answer to those questions depends on your own outlook. On one hand the Holy Spirit has always existed in potentia as a part (and the whole) of God, and is thus eternal. However, technically in its role as an active force, it can be said that it began existing relatively when God wished to create Creation. However, the Holy Spirit is no more a product of God's creations than He Himself is.

I don't know how else to explain it really.

Edit: Blazn, I was more referring to Terrence's post, if he ever did post. I thought he did, but I can't really be sure of things like this. Anyway, I don't want to start anything.

mee · 10-13-2006, 11:36 PM

power in action.
It is Jehovah’s active force, invisible and powerful, sent forth to accomplish his purpose.

mee · 10-13-2006, 11:39 PM

At Genesis 1:2 the Bible states that "God’s active force ["spirit" (Hebrew, ru´ach)] was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters." Here, God’s spirit was his active force working to shape the earth.

Terrence · 10-14-2006, 12:04 AM

a "Christian" mod. on this board takes what I say off because its preaching Christanity to people. If Jesus preached the same Christanity that some of you guys preach today, he'd never been cursified. Because of some of you, the name of God is blasmphed among the nations.

Quahom1 · 10-14-2006, 12:51 AM

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a "Christian" mod. on this board takes what I say off because its preaching Christanity to people. If Jesus preached the same Christanity that some of you guys preach today, he'd never been cursified. Because of some of you, the name of God is blasmphed among the nations.

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Nuff said.

BlaznFattyz · 10-14-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by moseslmpg

...the Holy Spirit is no more a product of God's creations than He Himself is.

simple and smart.

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Originally Posted by moseslmpg

Edit: Blazn, I was more referring to Terrence's post, if he ever did post. I thought he did, but I can't really be sure of things like this. Anyway, I don't want to start anything.

no offense taken whatsoever

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Originally Posted by Terrence

a "Christian" mod. on this board takes what I say off because its preaching Christanity to people.

its a comparative religion forum, so diff strokes... there are plenty of good christian forums on the internet if the inability to preach and discuss with like-minded people is too frustrating.

mee · 10-14-2006, 10:17 AM

Jehovah the Creator has power. His power operates through his spirit or active force.
As Elihu said: "The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life." (Job 33:4;

Terrence · 10-14-2006, 02:21 PM

Ananaias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit...?" Peter later states in the next verse, "You have not lied to men but to God.""

Blue Jay · 10-15-2006, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mee

At Genesis 1:2 the Bible states that "God’s active force ["spirit" (Hebrew, ru´ach)] was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters." Here, God’s spirit was his active force working to shape the earth.

Mee, what Bible are you using? I am looking at Gen. 1:2 in five English translations and not one uses the term "God's active force."

Here is the second part of that verse as rendered in these five versions:

KJV: And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

New Revised Standard Version: while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters.

The New American Bible: while a mighty wind swept over the waters.

The Revised Standard Version: and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.

The New Living Translation: And the Spirit of God was hovering over its surface.

FLOWERGIRL · 10-15-2006, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mee

power in action.
It is Jehovah’s active force, invisible and powerful, sent forth to accomplish his purpose.

At Genesis 1:2 the Bible states that "God’s active force ["spirit" (Hebrew, ru´ach)] was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters." Here, God’s spirit was his active force working to shape the earth.

Jehovah the Creator has power. His power operates through his spirit or active force.
As Elihu said: "The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life." (Job 33:4;

So the active force is eternal just like God almighty is?